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roar
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Beyond garbage. It's painful to read. <snip – please don’t engage in personal attacks on other posters. Thanks, David for BBMods.> _________________ kill for collingwood! |
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Location: the great southern land
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I’m surprised no one here has mentioned the elephant in the room,the Federal government’s shambolic roll out of the vaccine.They promised what,4 million jabs by the end of March,and delivered only about one sixth of that in reality.
And now they’re having huge problems with the AstraZeneca vaccine.It was safe apparently,now they’re telling us that it shouldn’t be used on anyone under 50,and those people should get the Pfizer vaccine instead,which is already in short supply.
Why did the government put all its eggs in the AstraZeneca basket?Was it a cost saving measure,purely because it was a cheaper vaccine?If so then that’s pretty shameful.Why didn’t they buy up alternatives like Moderna and Johnson and Johnson,which only requires one jab?Apparently they’ve ordered tens of millions of doses and of another vaccine,Novamax.But that’s still in the testing stages and may be a year away from delivery.
As I said,it’s a pretty shambolic rollout of the vaccine,and questions need to be asked about how the government handled this whole fiasco.They’ve. clearly over promised and under delivered,in contrast to other countries like the US,which have done exactly the opposite. |
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5 from the wing on debut
Joined: 27 May 2016
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If you can't see the elephant you are either in a very large room, or you have blocked WPT's posts as well as mine, as he has mentioned the elephant on approximately 2,375 occasions. |
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Location: the great southern land
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Yes,attack the poster but don’t address what they’wrote. <snip – please don’t engage in personal attacks on other posters. Thanks, David for BBMods.> |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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<snip – please don’t engage in personal attacks on other posters. Thanks, David for BBMods.>
It's not hard to find some of the answers to your rhetorical questions.
Some of the reasons why we would have gone with the AstraZeneca are clearly supply chain issues. Unlike the Pfizer it doesn't need to be stored in intense cold which in a country as large as Australia makes distribution a lot easier, and also because we could manufacture it here at CSL under licence so we wouldn't have to rely on shipments from Europe. The Pfizer one is different and we don't have the tech to make it locally.
Yes Scottie promised so many vaccinations but that was before the EU blocked shipments to us so we didn't have anywhere near as much stock as we were supposed to have.
We have though secured another 20 Mil Pfizer shots making over 40Mil all up, to be delivered in 2021 and have 51 Mil shots of Novavax on order just waiting on TGA approval.
But clearly it's Scotties fault that the AstraZeneca vaccine potentially causes blood clots in a tiny minority and gets people panicy
Elephant in the room, FMD. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Blood clots by the numbers.
Quote: | The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) said the risk of getting one of the rare blood clots after the AstraZeneca vaccine could be as low as about one in 200,000 (somewhere between one in 166,000 and one in 250,000).
And about a quarter of those people who get the clots die.
So, according to the basic maths, the risk of dying from one of these blood clots after taking the vaccine is very roughly about one in 800,000. |
Ok, not great but not bad
Quote: | Let's just take a random adult off the street. Research suggests they have a one in 1,000 chance of developing a blood clot known as a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) within a year.
And of those who do, about 6 per cent will die. So without the addition of any risk by taking a vaccine, about one in 17,000 adults is expected to die each year from that type of blood clot. So, statistically, you're much more likely to die of a blood clot for some other reason than because you took the AstraZeneca vaccine. |
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/covid19-vaccine-blood-clotting-az-explainer/100055638 _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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5 from the wing on debut
Joined: 27 May 2016
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Are you allowing the facts to get in the way of a political rant? |
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think positive
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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BUT
what is the blood clot risk from the other vaccines?
those odds might seem good - unless your son, daughter, brother, sister, or yourself is that 1 in 800,000 _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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5 from the wing on debut
Joined: 27 May 2016
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The theory is that it is for the overall good.
Not great if you are the exception though.
Unfortunately, we can't just pick and choose which vaccine we want and when we want it.
Supply and demand. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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5 from the wing on debut wrote: | Are you allowing the facts to get in the way of a political rant? |
I do like to throw some in everynow and then <snip – please don’t engage in personal attacks on other posters. Thanks, David for BBMods.> _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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stui magpie wrote: | ^
Absolute garbage. | '
So IF Dan was a Liberal Leader then Victoria 2nd Wave been just a Accidwent? _________________ I am Da Man |
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Location: the great southern land
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stui magpie wrote: | <snip>
It's not hard to find some of the answers to your rhetorical questions.
Some of the reasons why we would have gone with the AstraZeneca are clearly supply chain issues. Unlike the Pfizer it doesn't need to be stored in intense cold which in a country as large as Australia makes distribution a lot easier, and also because we could manufacture it here at CSL under licence so we wouldn't have to rely on shipments from Europe. The Pfizer one is different and we don't have the tech to make it locally.
Yes Scottie promised so many vaccinations but that was before the EU blocked shipments to us so we didn't have anywhere near as much stock as we were supposed to have.
We have though secured another 20 Mil Pfizer shots making over 40Mil all up, to be delivered in 2021 and have 51 Mil shots of Novavax on order just waiting on TGA approval.
But clearly it's Scotties fault that the AstraZeneca vaccine potentially causes blood clots in a tiny minority and gets people panicy
Elephant in the room, FMD. |
<snip – please don’t engage in personal attacks on other posters. Thanks, David for BBMods.>
As for the government’s roll out of the vaccine,it is in chaos.No one can seriously deny that now.It’s become an embarrassment to the government, even the media is criticising their efforts now.Only Liberal partisans on whacky sites like this seem to be defending it,but of course they would,wouldn’t they?FMD indeed. |
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Location: the great southern land
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stui magpie wrote: | 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | Are you allowing the facts to get in the way of a political rant? |
I do like to throw some in everynow and then <snip – please don’t engage in personal attacks on other posters. Thanks, David for BBMods.> |
<snip> And what part of my post was factually incorrrect?Is it not true that Morrison promised 4 million injections by the end of March and delivered about 600,000?Is it not true that the government relied too heavily of the AstraZeneca vaccine when there were other vaccines they could have ordered as well?
You said they ordered 20 millions extra doses of the Pfizer vaccine but that only happened today as a panicked response to the trouble with the AstraZeneca rollout.It was not something they had planned doing. All in all,it’s pretty much a shambles.But hey,it’s Scottie,and we like him,so he must be doing all right,mustn’t he? |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Dave The Man wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Absolute garbage. | '
So IF Dan was a Liberal Leader then Victoria 2nd Wave been just a Accidwent? |
Get your hand off it Dave, what WPT wrote <snip – please don’t engage in personal attacks on other posters. Thanks, David for BBMods.> had nothing to do with Labors ability to run a successful Hotel Quarantine program, something every other state and territory has been able to do regardless of the
party in charge. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pies4shaw
pies4shaw
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Another great big bag of doughnuts for Victoria today. |
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