| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
masoncox
masoncox
Joined: 31 Aug 2015
|
| Post subject: |  |
|
| Lazza wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | I have mixed feelings about this. Part of me is why not, part of me is yeah sure, part of me is why Collingwood (again) so I don’t actually have a position because I’m not clear that I fully understand all the issues from his perspective.
One can’t be subject to racism if that’s what it is in a workplace. No way and none of that would be supported by any of us. This is 21st Century Australia.
Whether it’s opportunistic or not is another matter but if it is shown it did occur / there was an unsafe working environment then as employers there is a responsibility to the employee to provide a safe working environment. |
All true but there has to be corroborated evidence for any chance of a win in court. Some Advocates say that these are the hardest matters to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Good luck to Harry if the allegations are proved to be correct. The thing I detest most in life is any form of racism towards anyone, irrespective of who they are. Totally infuriates me no end. |
We have a few legal guys on nicks.
Could they give us a rough idea whether he has a case? |
|
|
|
 |
MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Elwood
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Lazza wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | I have mixed feelings about this. Part of me is why not, part of me is yeah sure, part of me is why Collingwood (again) so I don’t actually have a position because I’m not clear that I fully understand all the issues from his perspective.
One can’t be subject to racism if that’s what it is in a workplace. No way and none of that would be supported by any of us. This is 21st Century Australia.
Whether it’s opportunistic or not is another matter but if it is shown it did occur / there was an unsafe working environment then as employers there is a responsibility to the employee to provide a safe working environment. |
All true but there has to be corroborated evidence for any chance of a win in court. Some Advocates say that these are the hardest matters to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Good luck to Harry if the allegations are proved to be correct. The thing I detest most in life is any form of racism towards anyone, irrespective of who they are. Totally infuriates me no end. |
I abhor racism as well, but that doesn't mean every time an individual cries racism, that it occurred. It was all under Malthouse's watch and he's the least tolerant person around if he had any inkling that it occurred. |
|
|
|
|
dalyc 
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Assuming it goes to court, the plaintiff will be required to name the people that acted in a racist manner. Will make the 2010 premiership reunions interesting.
_________________
Four legged animals good, two legged animals better |
|
|
|
|
duke750
Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Buderim QLD
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Regardless of any other thoughts posted in this thread (whether racist or not), I will always remember Heretier as a Collingwood premiership player and will always respect him as such.
In my 60+ years following the Pies there have only been 42 players who carry that honour.
I will always remember the pride and jubilation he showed when he kicked that goal in the final quarter.
I hope that we are able to come to a suitable outcome in this, but regardless, H should always be welcome at our door. (The same goes for the other 2010 premiership players who have left - and returned).
_________________
Magpies forever.
First Colligwood game: Western Oval 1960 |
|
|
|
|
dalyc
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| duke750 wrote: | Regardless of any other thoughts posted in this thread (whether racist or not), I will always remember Heretier as a Collingwood premiership player and will always respect him as such.
In my 60+ years following the Pies there have only been 42 players who carry that honour.
I will always remember the pride and jubilation he showed when he kicked that goal in the final quarter.
I hope that we are able to come to a suitable outcome in this, but regardless, H should always be welcome at our door. (The same goes for the other 2010 premiership players who have left - and returned). |
I’m not sure any outcome will suit him.
_________________
Four legged animals good, two legged animals better |
|
|
|
|
duke750
Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Buderim QLD
|
| Post subject: | |
|
In some ways, it is what outcome is suitable for Collingwood FC in a way that projects the values that we want to reflect our club.
_________________
Magpies forever.
First Colligwood game: Western Oval 1960 |
|
|
|
|
watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| Lazza wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | I have mixed feelings about this. Part of me is why not, part of me is yeah sure, part of me is why Collingwood (again) so I don’t actually have a position because I’m not clear that I fully understand all the issues from his perspective.
One can’t be subject to racism if that’s what it is in a workplace. No way and none of that would be supported by any of us. This is 21st Century Australia.
Whether it’s opportunistic or not is another matter but if it is shown it did occur / there was an unsafe working environment then as employers there is a responsibility to the employee to provide a safe working environment. |
All true but there has to be corroborated evidence for any chance of a win in court. Some Advocates say that these are the hardest matters to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Good luck to Harry if the allegations are proved to be correct. The thing I detest most in life is any form of racism towards anyone, irrespective of who they are. Totally infuriates me no end. |
I here that and as I was writing I was thinking about the burden of proof; I think in a civil matter the burden of proof is less than “beyond reasonable doubt” to on the “balance of probabilities”.
Perhaps his worship Pies4Shaw could lend a legal opinion?
_________________
“I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
|
|
|
|
Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Yep I think you are right WPT however I too would love to hear the official legal situation by any poster here who has expertise on the subject.
_________________
Don't confuse your current path with your final destination. Just because it's dark and stormy now doesn't meant that you aren't headed for glorious sunshine! |
|
|
|
|
Piesnchess
piesnchess
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Harry sure does have one massive chip on his shoulder, from what i have seen, read, the Club has gone out of its way to make amends with him, to reconcile, apologize, mediate, learn lessons, and move on, but he still just wants to endlessly stir the pot. NO wonder he did not last long at the Deees, hes nothing but trouble now, pity, cos he was a really fine player. He kicked the sealer to win our flag, great goal, and his reaction, but this myriad mess of utter litigation, will be all hes remembered for, which is a great pity.
_________________
Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb. |
|
|
|
|
David 
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| dalyc wrote: | | Assuming it goes to court, the plaintiff will be required to name the people that acted in a racist manner. Will make the 2010 premiership reunions interesting. |
This is my thought too. Possibly undermines Heritier's previously stated intent to not name individuals, so as to keep the focus on structural issues at the club and not create scapegoats – don't see how that won't come out now, though.
I did think the internal review was a cynical PR move on our part, so I don't blame him for not being mollified by that. But I'm still unsure whether this is the right way to go. My suspicion is he's doing this out of a feeling of obligation to other people of colour who find themselves in such situations and not so much for his own sake; if so, it can be dangerous when adherence to a principle – even a totally virtuous one – gets prioritised ahead of one's own gut feeling.
_________________
All watched over by machines of loving grace |
|
|
|
|
ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: Thailand
|
| Post subject: | |
|
Taking the piss. Hopefully will lose his money as well as as credibility. In LA where ambulance chasing lawyers outnumber sensible people.
_________________
Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
|
|
|
|
Redcraze 
Joined: 19 Jun 2016
Location: Port Adelaide, South Australia
|
| Post subject: Lumumba sues Collingwood | |
|
It must be a terrible ordeal for a footballer to have the same nickname as Bobby Skilton.
_________________
The future is hidden from all men, and the greatest football matches hang on the smallest chances. - Demosthenes |
|
|
|
|
piedys 
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| ronrat wrote: | | Hopefully will lose his money as well as as credibility. In LA where ambulance chasing lawyers outnumber sensible people. |
O'Brien won't even have enough money to <let’s refrain from defaming his lawyers, please - they will have signed the pleading, so their identity is ascertainable. Thanks. Pies4shaw for BBMods> foot a legal bill.
_________________
M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
|
|
|
|
matrix10
Joined: 17 May 2009
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| David wrote: | | dalyc wrote: | | Assuming it goes to court, the plaintiff will be required to name the people that acted in a racist manner. Will make the 2010 premiership reunions interesting. |
This is my thought too. Possibly undermines Heritier's previously stated intent to not name individuals, so as to keep the focus on structural issues at the club and not create scapegoats – don't see how that won't come out now, though.
I did think the internal review was a cynical PR move on our part, so I don't blame him for not being mollified by that. But I'm still unsure whether this is the right way to go. My suspicion is he's doing this out of a feeling of obligation to other people of colour who find themselves in such situations and not so much for his own sake; if so, it can be dangerous when adherence to a principle – even a totally virtuous one – gets prioritised ahead of one's own gut feeling. |
This- although it would be interesting to see who is funding his case.
I imagine Leon Davis's recent article would be enough evidence for the pies to shut this down.
It is impossible to prevent racism- yet I would suggest based on all that I have read and heard, the AFL and Collingwood had in place various programs that would be viewed as actively taking more than reasonable steps to create as safe an environment as possible- educative programs, grievance procedures.
Even H said that as soon as he brought it u- it was addressed and stopped.
Clearly didn't impact his ability to gain future employment- went to Melbourne- and there is a fair case his claimed 'concussion' related retirement and admission of using mind altering drugs would seriously diminish the validity of of claims. |
|
|
|
|
piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
|
| Post subject: | |
|
| matrix10 wrote: | | .... and admission of using mind altering drugs would seriously diminish the validity of of claims. |
Wonder if they are from the same dealer who seemingly supplies our recruiting dept?
_________________
M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
|
|
|
|
|
The Rules
FAQ
Usergroups
Calendar
Search
Log in
Register
