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Jezza 
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| roar wrote: | | Typical US foreign policy debacle driven by those with a huge financial gain when the US creates wars. |
Eisenhower did warn about the military industrial complex.
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Listen to Biden's press conference today and sheesh, I reckon the country would be better if they re-elected Trump. This administration is inept.
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^^ Maybe a touch of hyperbole, there, p4s.
And whatsinaname's post was beyond hyperbole.
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | Listen to Biden's press conference today and sheesh, I reckon the country would be better if they re-elected Trump. This administration is inept. |
If you think Trump and his revolving door of the best and brightest would have handled this better, I have a bridge to sell you (and so does he). 
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | Listen to Biden's press conference today and sheesh, I reckon the country would be better if they re-elected Trump. This administration is inept. |
Yep. Biden’s a demented fool.
Weakest president since Carter.
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| David wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | Listen to Biden's press conference today and sheesh, I reckon the country would be better if they re-elected Trump. This administration is inept. |
If you think Trump and his revolving door of the best and brightest would have handled this better, I have a bridge to sell you (and so does he). |
It's impossible to think that the previous administration could have butchered it any worse than this one. This is a new depth. |
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David
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The real butcher, in both senses of the word, was Bush to begin with: he got the US into a pointless, unwinnable war without any long-term goal or strategy. This is his legacy; Obama, Trump and Biden have all been, to some extent or other, left with sweeping up his mess. For all his flaws – and everyone here knows I have little time for the guy – give Biden some credit for saying enough's enough.
I suspect the problem here is that some people think you can lose a war in style. Getting out of a war you didn't win is never going to look pretty or go according to some perfect pre-ordained script, and Biden seems to be one of the few people who understands that right now.
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It's an utter clustercluck all round.
The Taliban has just helped themselves to all the military hardware left laying around, people are being left behind, the country is about to be plunged back into the dark ages and just to rub salt into the whole thing, Isis decides to tell the US to hurry up and get out by sending in to the airport a couple of suicide bombers that they had to use before they were past their best before date.
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Jezza
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Biden was right to withdraw from Afghanistan. It should have been done years ago.
Biden’s execution of the withdrawal has been abysmal.
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| David wrote: | The real butcher, in both senses of the word, was Bush to begin with: he got the US into a pointless, unwinnable war without any long-term goal or strategy. This is his legacy; Obama, Trump and Biden have all been, to some extent or other, left with sweeping up his mess. For all his flaws – and everyone here knows I have little time for the guy – give Biden some credit for saying enough's enough.
I suspect the problem here is that some people think you can lose a war in style. Getting out of a war you didn't win is never going to look pretty or go according to some perfect pre-ordained script, and Biden seems to be one of the few people who understands that right now. |
what has style got to do with it? maybe they are concerned with leaving innocent victims to be further victimised by the taliban or isis criminals?
get as many out as they can, and drop a big $$%^%%$ bomb on the place., as a women id rather get blown up than live under taliban rule
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Can you stop saying that? It's an honestly disgusting sentiment, and none of the women you're referring to – who have actual lives, maybe husbands, children and family, and presumably do indeed want to go on living, Taliban or no Taliban – would ever welcome that. People have lived under Taliban rule, people currently live under similar regimes elsewhere in the world, and people will continue to live under such regimes in future. It's pretty bleak, yes, but it's not for us to decide for them that their lives are worthless. These are not cartoon characters we're dealing with here.
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Was just listening to a podcast and there was a great line from John Dolan (aka The War Nerd, well worth looking up some of the stuff he's written) about this:
| John Dolan wrote: | | There's this sense that Biden is a traitor by imposing this humiliation. Really what Biden has done is come in and said, "This patient died ten years ago; turn off the machines," but it's very easy to take that and say, "Biden killed the patient," and that's going big in the US media right now. |
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^Plainly so.
The vile grifters and conmen who engineered this mess and handed out contracts to other vile grifters and conmen, and the fools who cheered them on, wear every single second of this.
Biden is showing half an ounce of moral fortitude by making cowardly idiots face the reality of their negligent and reckless decisions.
Some of us remember it all like yesterday, and won't let the rats jump ship to avoid responsibility for their decisions. This is their mayhem from fist-waving start to pitiful end. There's no cowardly snaking around it; it's time to stop paying billions in chaos money for decades on end just so the people who created this mess can avoid looking at their ugly souls in the mirror.
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