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Pies4shaw 
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| Jezza wrote: | $550,000 a year, and in contrast Mihocek is being offered pittance  |
Mihocek is a great trier but neither he nor Cox plays AFL-standard football in the forward line. Mihocek could, perhaps, play as a defender, so if we ever recruited an actual CHF, he might still get a game. There is no place for Cox in a competent AFL side. |
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Grundy is a fair tap ruckman at best.
Generally the connection between Grundy and the mids is average to poor.
This has cost the Pies a premiership in 2018 and another crack at in 2019.
That era is now over.
Let’s hope Grundy can get back to being our best player again which he was in 2018 and 2019. He has been just fair this year but poor for his standards.
Grundy really needs to improve his tap work and we need a better midfield
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | $550,000 a year, and in contrast Mihocek is being offered pittance |
Mihocek is a great trier but neither he nor Cox plays AFL-standard football in the forward line. Mihocek could, perhaps, play as a defender, so if we ever recruited an actual CHF, he might still get a game. There is no place for Cox in a competent AFL side. |
Just not true at all. Watch a replay of the game last night. Mihocek is always doing little things for the team which don’t go on a stat sheet. We basically played off for a premiership two years ago because Buckley made the switch of turning a defender in Mihocek into a forward. Same with Cox two years ago. Would we have beaten Richmond in a preliminary final without him. Our forward line issues aren’t because of Cox and Mihocek. Our problems relate to players like Varcoe, Reid, Phillips, Greenwood, Thomas, Phillips and Mayne who aren’t the players they were two years ago due to age and injury. How many rising star awards have we won in the last two years? I can only think of Quaynor. Buckley has been reluctant to bring players through. Others like Callum Brown have regressed. I kept saying all this year what is the value of playing guys like Reid and Varcoe. They were finished last year. We should have been pumping games into Tyler Brown, Ruscoe, Rantall, Will Kelly, Keane and Bianco. The reality is this year was wasted because we persisted in playing players who were past it. |
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Pies4shaw
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| ^ I watch the team very closely. I really do wish Mihocek were better. He's exactly the sort of player you want in your team, on every measure except talent. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| If what you said was true Richmond wouldn’t have won their last two premierships. Every great team carries players who don’t have the skill set of a Franklin or a Rioli but are just as valuable in the contribution they make. |
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Pies4shaw
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| Not at CHF they don't. If West Coast had players of the calibre of Cox and Mihocek as the tall forward targets, we probably win the 2018 Grand Final by some margin. |
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masoncox
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Not at CHF they don't. If West Coast had players of the calibre of Cox and Mihocek as the tall forward targets, we probably win the 2018 Grand Final by some margin. |
Both Cox and Checkers were long shot rookies
Both are played out of position given their natural abilities.
Cox would be a ruck and Checkers a backman in the ideal world.
The failure of them playing forward is the failure of us recruiting no decent forwards either via the draft or trading.
The recruiting of Adams, Treloar and Beams by giving away multiple decent trade picks is the central problem.
The 3 amigos have not fundamentally helped our situation.
Given that we got Cox and Checkers for nothing the pair have helped us improve overall.
We have a decent backup ruck in Cox and a decent backman in waiting with Checkers.
Rucking Grundy into the ground this year has really exposed us.
I will ask this question.
Who would be the best forward Cox or Grundy?
The answer currently would be Cox hands down.
We have locked ourselves into another 6 years for a 1 trick pony in Grundy.
If Grundy serves up the same rubbish as he has of late then we are in trouble.
Lets hope that he is playing injured, and if so, that it gets fixed over the preseason. |
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masoncox
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Not at CHF they don't. If West Coast had players of the calibre of Cox and Mihocek as the tall forward targets, we probably win the 2018 Grand Final by some margin. |
Shuey was bog. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| masoncox wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Not at CHF they don't. If West Coast had players of the calibre of Cox and Mihocek as the tall forward targets, we probably win the 2018 Grand Final by some margin. |
Both Cox and Checkers were long shot rookies
Both are played out of position given their natural abilities.
Cox would be a ruck and Checkers a backman in the ideal world.
The failure of them playing forward is the failure of us recruiting no decent forwards either via the draft or trading.
The recruiting of Adams, Treloar and Beams by giving away multiple decent trade picks is the central problem.
The 3 amigos have not fundamentally helped our situation.
Given that we got Cox and Checkers for nothing the pair have helped us improve overall.
We have a decent backup ruck in Cox and a decent backman in waiting with Checkers.
Rucking Grundy into the ground this year has really exposed us.
I will ask this question.
Who would be the best forward Cox or Grundy?
The answer currently would be Cox hands down.
We have locked ourselves into another 6 years for a 1 trick pony in Grundy.
If Grundy serves up the same rubbish as he has of late then we are in trouble.
Lets hope that he is playing injured, and if so, that it gets fixed over the preseason. |
Grundy was fine last night. The Port Adelaide mids we’re sharking his taps. It was our lack of pace all over the ground which was the deciding factor last night. Port Adelaide are a relatively young and hungry team. We have I think the second oldest list in the AFL. We allow players to go on for too long and we’re reluctant to criticize them because they’ve been good servants of the club, so we look for scapegoats to blame like Cox, Mihocek, Grundy and Stephenson. |
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Pies4shaw
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| It tells you everything you need to know about Collingwood supporters that Grundy is even in that list. Whatever one thinks about the importance of rucking, Grundy has - yet again - dominated the statistics in his position. The other 3 have been MIA for virtually the whole season. |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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Except hit outs to advantage - which is the most important stat for his position
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Pies4shaw
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| He had more hitouts to advantage and more hitouts than any other player in the competition. |
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alexjvillani 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | Cox has now played 67 games for Collingwood. At least 2 of them have been of an acceptable standard. It is time we acknowledged that he’s part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Do what you want with 5he ruck - just don’t embarrass yourselves by pretending that Cox can play first ruck for a competitive AFL team. |
I'd have him over Cameron and Lynch any day. Scares the shit outta defenders when he has a run at it and gave it a fair crack last night, not to mention the few weeks prior.
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Pies4shaw
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| I prefer to consider how Cox compares against competent senior AFL footballers, not guys that can't touch the football, either. |
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