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| qldmagpie67 wrote: | I don’t get how people aren’t seeing the long term game being played -no bloody good if we dont finish in the 8!!
At the selection table we gambled resting players thinking we had enough to best Freo i agree and have lost all respect for the coaches and selectors, you never ever ever underestimate your opposition, or over estimate your own ability. and it failed so so shockingly, so disrespectful to Freo.
On exposed form we should have had way to much for Freo but it was our mental attitude again which failed us miserably couldnt agree more. flaky bastards living in a too pampered world, after the week that was our 2 main coaches thought a game of tennis with someone outside the hub was ok? great example guys.
Moving forward we need clarity in selection and clarity in game planning
Things that can’t happen again going forward
Josh Thomas isn’t a AFL caliber footballer and can’t be selected again agree, never repayed our faith in him. well not my faith i didnt want him back!
John Noble doesn’t have the composure or skill or body position awareness to play AFL needs more time, not our worst
Treloar needs to work on his general field kicking it’s a massive flop for someone getting so much of the ball as he does and wasting it yup
Sidey can’t drift in and out of games. His first half was horrible but his second was more of what it should be biggest disappointment to me, he should have come out to prove a point.
Roughead gets selected every week no matter what. Not having him created a massive imbalance in our defence
Crisp is either a defender or a midfielder. Pick one and let him concentrate on that his mind looks muddled
Decide on a back 6 and stick to it. Roughead Moore Maynard Crisp IQ should be locks every week. Scharenberg makes the logical sense as the Howe replacement. Play him and let him develop some team unity with the other defenders and don’t make the same mistake we made against the eagles and play the handing over of players. Give them there opponent and they stick to them i totally agree with all of this, it was so disrespectful to the freo forwards, and came back to bite us.
Is Stephenson and forward winger mid or HBF ? Our forward line needs work and at least he can kick goals and apply forward pressure. Play him forward and leave him deep i agree, hes still a kid, but i must say he has gone up a bit in my mind, hes a skinny little bugger but he was getting in there. still needs to win back respect though, hes not there yet.
The jury is out on C. Brown and Daicos. They show some ability mixed with too many moments of panic i think they both just need a little more time, Daics especially has me excited
What’s wrong with Tyler Brown ? Select him and let him develop he was ok over the first few weeks. He won’t get better not playing senior footy
Is Cameron really better than Cox ? Doesn’t get the ball to ground as much and doesn’t have the same physical presence. id stick with Cameron, Cox has been figured out, go his lower body and he cant maintain his balance, and it takes too much to piss him off.
Other then Pendles snd JDG there isn’t anyone missing that is going to make a big difference to the side if selected Howe???
Anyone who mentions Reid or Langdon as coming back into the senior side needs to have there membership canceled and checked in for a mental health assessment Langdon’s knee is shot and he can’t be relied upon to make it through a game. His now played 40 minutes of scratch match footy in 14 months and by all reports still can’t play more than 10/15 minutes at a time without needing his knee checked out again.
He was so slow before the last knee injury it was scary I would hate to see how much slower he is now. In these times of shorter quarters and more emphasis on field kicking and transition footy he is the last player you want or need. He would be the worst kick on the clubs list by a long way. People seem to forget this is a player who kicks at 22% eff over 20m or more and loses over 63% of one on one contests over his career
Reid’s inability to be able to string more than 2 games together says everything. At his best he was a AA level defender but we have Moore now the future. Up forward his less than effective and couldn’t play in front of either Cox or Cameron. I feel for Reid his body has just let him down.
definitely on Reid he was done 2 seasons ago, id like to see Langdon get a shot
Maybe greenwood gets back this season but he isn’t the answer to any startling question either big body, bit of mongrel cant hurt. Tay has let me down here, i thought he had moremongrel
What we have is what we have and when you take pendles and JDG away it exposes some massive holes in our plans and others players ability to lift there own game
To many average footballers playing below average football
i agree. said for the last 7-8 years we need to spend on a forward, no matter the cost. no good having a great defence if we cant kick goals, they just get tired. |
the best summation ive seen
and ill add if the coaches cant figure this whole hub shit out, how will the players? dumb or arrogant? take your pick, its not brain surgery, 1 rule, stay away from people not in the hub.
and dont tell me how hard it is for them, any of them, all teams are in the same boat. sacrifice? they are not in stage 4 lockdown, they are still way overpaid (dont correct me here, did that performance earn the whole teams pay?? ill give Moore, Maynard and Grundy a pass, grundy is expected to do too much guys, hes not superman!) the weather is great compared to here, and they are about to meet up with their families in a resort! lets say that again, a resort! and the bloody wives cant do the right thing? I get that they have other family to worry about, but dont we all? Any more breaches, scrap the competition, send them home to live on Jobkeeper, unable to go 5k from home. Yes im angry, but im so over the attitude of she be right, it will all just come together, i want to see passion, i want to see players as mad as i am. when they went back after half time treloar talked to fyfe and laughed about something, and Fyfe, pretty as he is, looked "**** off man what are you on!" i want them to care about winning. years ago buckley said its not his job to motivate the players, i dont agree. they need a rocket under them. the selection was shit, but we still should have won. after last weeks effort how did not 1 player come our breathing fire? are they that mentally fragile? or do they just not care. thats what i saw. the only plus was they sure abided by social distancing! half the game they were not within cooee of their player, in more ways than one boys, MAN THE **** UP!
now i will go about my boring day within 5klm of home, and while it looks sunny its still $£$%^%%$ freezing. so ill mask up and be on my way!
on a brighter note, my FIL and dad are in the same nursing home, there was a scare there last week, but every test on staff and inmates are negative. stay safe people. perspective.
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sherrife 
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I said before the game that our forward line was the most dismal part of our team, and I stand by that. Hoskin-Elliot is a tantalising but average half-forward, Checkers is a great 3rd forward, Cameron could eventually be an ok second forward (very early days still) but we don't have anything like an actual forward. And without an in-form Callum Brown, we don't have a crumber either (nothing against JT but he's just not up to it, and Stevenson too young - just looks lost a lot of the time).
The worst part for me was the lack of on-field leadership, nobody seemed capable of lifting an extra 10% when needed, Sidey and Moore being a partial exception. Without Pendles we're going to be screwed.
One positive was that Noble was fantastic. With IQ and Noble we seem to have got a good pair of running half-backs, with IQ playing taller and stronger and Noble adding a bit of flair.
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JT has not kicked a goal all year.
But the most concerning is his fumbles.
He seems not to be able to pick up the ball cleanly.
It seems the same with Elliot... very little clean ball gets.Our smalls seem to be like rabbits in a spotlight unsure what to do except lay off with a handball to a nother player under pressure.
There is also a problem with our set up with balls up and boundary throw ins
We seem t o give up vast spaces to the opposition.
Also Grunddy did not seem to understand that the throwin's were always short. |
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Looks like Stephenson doesn't want to get hit, and none of our forwards look dangerous when there is a ground ball, most goals are off set shots, and we are fairly accurate in kicking those, but we dont get many inside 40 metres. How many times did freo get out for an easy goal. The only time we did that was the small patch at the end of the third.
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Lol so I raised this in anther thread and got many who disagreed ..
Why exactly should Darcy Moore not be Collingwood's next captain?
Many said no no it has to be Sidebottom or Adams.
I vote all the way for Darcy.
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| JC Hartley wrote: | In a game they were expected to collect the points, Collingwood responded abysmally to ultimately lose by 12 points against Fremantle, despite having the lead by 4 points heading into the last quarter. The first half in particular from the Woods was an absolute crap fest, with uncontested marks conceded, clearances lost at crucial times, simple defensive errors that resulted in goals, while there was next-to-no cohesion with the forwards to be able to convert an adequate number of goals. The only positive from the first quarter is that Freo were held scoreless, but on the contrary, the Woods only scored 1 major. All the forward entries in the world, the Magpies had for no reward, while the Dockers had significantly fewer entries with greater scoreboard impact throughout the entire game. That loss has impaled my morale until Thursday.
The categories Collingwood gained were from handballs by +10 (149 - 139), hit-outs were +23 ( 51-28 ), uncontested possessions were won by +15 (198 - 183), intercept possessions had a differential of +5 (69 - 64), +1 for Contested Marks ( 9 - 8 ), Tackles Inside 50 was +2 (8 - 6), before closing out the evening in front of the Inside 50s count by +9 (43 - 34). Fremantle had gains from disposals by +13 (331 - 318), +23 for kicks (192 - 169), contested possessions were won by +36 (151 - 115), while clearances had an advantage of +15 (45 - 30), with differentials of +3 for centre clearances ( 11 - 8 ) and stoppage clearances were +12 (34 - 22), before the Dockers nudged ahead for Marks Inside 50 by +1 (6 - 5) and edged ahead in tackles which was won by +5 (52 - 47). Marks were even at 65 apiece.
Adam Treloar (30 disposals @ 57%, 411 metres gained, 14 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 17 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 8 clearances, 8 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) continues to win the ball, without using it as effectively from stoppages as the team required them to be. Accumulating possessions is not an issue for Treloar, yet I would like him to maximise impact with his ball use going forward.
Steele Sidebottom (25 disposals @ 68%, 321 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 13 handballs, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 2 goals) single-handedly kept Collingwood alive in the contest with a sublime second half, after an indifferent first half with 6 disposals, which included a second term mare with 1 possession. I'll look forward to you putting four quarters together against Sydney, Steele.
Taylor Adams (18 disposals @ 39%, 144 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 9 kicks, 9 handballs, 3 marks, 6 tackles, 2 score involvements, 7 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 4 stoppage clearances & 2 Inside 50s) had a woeful game where basically all of his possessions counted for nothing, while allowing his direct-opponent Caleb Serong to cut the Magpies up in the midfield. That's arguably Taylor's poorest game for the club, especially as acting-skipper.
Jamie Elliott (15 disposals @ 47%, 281 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 7 handballs, 6 tackles, 4 clearances, 3 centre clearances & 4 Inside 50s) found a bit more of the ball in the middle and won a few centre clearances (as many as Adams) that did not add enough impetus Inside 50 nor the scoreboard. I'd like to see Bucks and Sando rotate him a bit more up forward, as that's where he is more likely to decide games, rather than relying on him to be a first-choice on-baller in the centre square. I'd like Billy to spend more time in the forward arc to find out if he can still take marks and convert majors from them.
Brodie Grundy (11 disposals @64%, 223 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 43 hit-outs, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) had a very pedestrian half of footy in the first two quarters, before winning a significant amount of taps in the second half that unfortunately did not go to advantage.
John Noble (25 disposals @ 72%, 414 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 23 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 12 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 2 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) found some form with a solid performance, which was his best for the season. As well as he played, there were errors made, yet he did have mates with him that coughed the pill up too often.
Brayden Maynard (24 disposals @ 71%, 457 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 5 handballs, 8 marks, 4 Contested Marks, 5 score involvements & 4 Inside 50s) was comfortable Collingwood's best and most-effective ball user from defence. The Woods looked threatening whenever Maynard gained possession.
Jack Crisp (20 disposals @ 80%, 357 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 9 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 2 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) picked up his game markedly in the second half, after spending the first half in the midfield curtailing Nat Fyfe, before being moved off him in the last two quarters to provide daring attacks from defence.
Darcy Moore (19 disposals @ 90%, 336 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 13 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 10 handballs, 7 marks, 3 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) played very well as Collingwood's main defender behind the ball, but he would feel responsible for costing his side 2 goals (the margin the Dockers won by) in the third term, which proved very decisive in the wash-up.
Jaidyn Stephenson (12 disposals @ 67%, 103 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 6 handballs, 3 marks, 5 score involvements & 1 goal) finally kicked a goal for the first time since July 3 (his only goal put Collingwood in front before Three Quarter Time), however, his impact was minimal and was not able to get off the chain for most of the game.
Josh Daicos (12 disposals @ 75%, 168 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 5 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements & 2 Inside 50s) had an average game without impacting the contest very often and frequently.
Darcy Cameron (11 disposals @ 73%, 165 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 8 hit-outs, 6 kicks, 5 handballs, 4 marks, 2 Contested Marks & 3 Inside 50s) won enough of the ball to be a threat, but could not impact the scoreboard adequately to give his side a viable option.
Brody Mihocek (11 disposals @ 73%, 206 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 2 marks, 3 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) was not able to dominate the contest as he would've liked with a scarce number of marks taken, with only a solitary major on a flat evening for him.
Collingwood's next game will be against Sydney on August 6 at the Gabba. The Magpies will need to quickly rediscover winning form in Queensland, after producing two sub-par performances against the Eagles & Dockers which were downright crap and shit! A less than desired culmination to the club's stay in Perth after a promising start before the previous two matches. Time to capitalise on a depleted Swans line-up by stepping up to the plate over four quarters. If that doesn't happen, then I'm afraid nothing will. |
I liked you summation but I did have a little giggle at this bit i highlighted.
We just played the 17th ranked side, who effectively had thier WAFL team on the park and managed 3 goals for the whole game ĺast week...and we were awful. I give us very little chance against Sydney who have a far superior line-up to Fremantle.
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| Sicks Bux wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | If this was Adams' audition for future captaincy, then he's shat the bed.
Stevo is scared or playing scared.
Mihocek and Cameron as the two KP forwards - 6 marks between them and 1 goal. That's embarrassing. |
What changes to personnel would you suggest? |
Do you change the personnel or change the way we play?
The game plan / coaching should help you win. We seem to win in spite of our game plan. It seems our wins come from sheer effort or brilliance by an individual / s.
That's an exhausting way to win games. |
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^I thought our effort this week was more even than the past few outings. Our 3rd wasn't as flat as past encounters
One way of looking at it was that freo were a 17th side with a depleted lineup. The other is that freo had found a few young bloods that were finding some form.
I think to lift there are two players that need to reset.
Philips - he's super power is his running ability. We need him burning off opposition players and finding space as a link player - he seems to be focusing more than normal on contest and not getting away - as a contesting player he is only good, as a runner he is great.
JT - he has xfactor and is capable of making good play against the grain - trouble is he needs to do it more often. If he can get more involved he could be anything.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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We simply don't have a plan B it's clear from our inability to score - no JDG no structure (and as a side note; Stephenson clearly scared of getting hurt doesn't make/help matters any better...)
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Alex
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| glasseyevfx wrote: | ^I thought our effort this week was more even than the past few outings. Our 3rd wasn't as flat as past encounters
One way of looking at it was that freo were a 17th side with a depleted lineup. The other is that freo had found a few young bloods that were finding some form.
I think to lift there are two players that need to reset.
Philips - he's super power is his running ability. We need him burning off opposition players and finding space as a link player - he seems to be focusing more than normal on contest and not getting away - as a contesting player he is only good, as a runner he is great.
JT - he has xfactor and is capable of making good play against the grain - trouble is he needs to do it more often. If he can get more involved he could be anything. |
Yh idk whats going on with Thomas, 60 goals over 2018 and 2019 but none this year, another one could be WHE, as he had a combined 61 goals over 2018 and 2019 but only 6 this year. Several players need to lift if we want to have a deep finals run.
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Oh FFS you can’t sack a coach in a season like this. Clarkson, who rarely makes excuses, said the Hawks aren’t handling the hub well. Neither are we. We just played WC and Freo at their home grounds. Freo has a bye and a nice rest this week, whereas we have three more games with 4 day breaks in between. It’s a horror month for us, and with Pendies, JDG and Howe out it was always going to be 50/50.
And let’s not mention the umpiring last night. No wonder the AFL banned coaches last week from criticism the umps - the holding the ball calls were the worst I’ve seen. |
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| I wonder if it is worth sending WHE to the backline |
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glasseyevfx
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^WHE seems to have had some slumps but I think he is coming back - Last night wasn't without impact. He is great to watch when he is flying
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| glasseyevfx wrote: | | ^WHE seems to have had some slumps but I think he is coming back - Last night wasn't without impact. He is great to watch when he is flying |
True but he can go missing for quarters at a time
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | .... handballing to the point of idiocy, total inability to play through the corridor. ..... We were just an ineffectual tangle today.... |
Correct. Handball way too much when a kick would give us a chance to create something. We did kick it in the third quarter and created opportunities.
Mihocec and Sier get a pass for actually kicking a goal. Josh Thomas has run out of opportunities, goodbye.
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