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watt price tully Scorpio



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:13 am
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Daniel Andrews once again shows a strength of leadership and decisive action by sacking a minister accused of corruption is clear, decisive and assertive. He has sacked a minister and referred the matter to the Police.

Compare and contrast with Scotty from Marketing who:

1. Keeps the error laden and incompetent Robodebt minister for f*ckups but a religious liberal fundraising nutter who falsely claimed money for his internet usage before being shamed.
2. Keeps and does nothing about Angus Taylor despite his wilful lying about the Lord Mayor of Sydney, conflict of interests with respect to rural landholdings and trying to influence decisions regarding native grasses let alone saying he put Naomi Klein in her place at Oxford when she was in New York at the time
3. Making the National Party minister fall on Scotty’s sword over the corrupt sports rorts affair
4. The current rorting by The Federal libs of claiming Lib fundraising as personal expenses

Well done Premier Andrews.

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Wasn't surprised to read that it was Somyurek – seems like an archetypal Labor factional headkicker. Rundle's been writing about his backroom machinations for years. Here's an article from 2018, for instance:

https://www.crikey.com.au/feature/red-brotherhood-war/#the-rise-and-rise-of-adem-somyurek

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In April 2015, with much fanfare, the Moderates — a handful of MLAs and MLCs — led, or fronted, by Somyurek, split from the SDA, and rejoined Labor Unity, the new so-called superfaction being redubbed Centre Unity, and holding around 65% control of the POSC — the Public Office Selection Committee, which finalises candidacies.

The love-in did not last long. In May 2015, Somyurek was suspended from the ministry after his former chief of staff Dimity Paul accused him of bullying and physical handling in the office. Somyurek claimed that Paul was an SDA loyalist, and that the accusations were payback. A report concluded that Paul’s account was more reliable than Somyurek’s denials, and in July 2015, he resigned from the ministry, hurling accusations of “a fix” at SDA head Michael Donovan, and SDA-aligned deputy premier James Merlino.

Somyurek and the Moderates, having been the great superfactioneers, now plotted war against both Labor Unity and the SDA. Somyurek’s expulsion coincided with a wave of discontent from smaller unions aligned with the Industrial Left (at that time a subfaction inside the SL), about a denial of state cabinet positions, in the 2014 post-victory shakeout. Sources close to Somyurek saying that the Financial Services Union, aligned to the IL, first proposed a revival of the failed 2008-9 deal that had preceded the Stability Pact.

Other potential allies appeared in 2016: Brunswick MLA, and SL member, Jane Garrett, tried and failed to find a new seat for 2018, as she faced Green annihilation. In June 2016, as a minister, she “bizarrely” backed the CFA against the firefighters union, and resigned from state cabinet, mid-federal election. Doubtless the stand was a matter of principle, but it also had the useful effect of positioning Garrett as a champion of suburban values against perception of inner-city militant unionists. In November 2017 she was blocked by Kim Carr for upper-house preselection — and praised by Somyurek as a “once in a generation politician” that Labor could not afford to lose. Relations between Carr and the CFMEU/RTBU/Slater and Gordon personal network had deteriorated to the point where the cross-party deal became possible again.

Things happened fast. In September 2016, Stephen Conroy resigned abruptly as senator, notifying his faction co-leader Bill Shorten by text message while the latter was overseas. Conroy was replaced by Kimberley Kitching, a scandal-ridden Shorten confidante, tied to the Health Services Union (HSU).

The HSU is now mentioned as a partner in the new Centre Unity-Industrial Left alliance. In December, Shorten (and Kitching’s husband, Labor blowfly Andrew Landeryou) met with Somyurek, and CU-aligned plumbers’ union head Earl Setches, to discuss the CU-IL deal. Kitching last Friday was out of the stalls tweeting the praises of Jane Garrett, when the latter made her cunning/wacky/wtf non-denial of rumours about running for lord mayor of Melbourne, on ABC radio.

The meeting marked a new high point for Somyurek, a Victorian suburban ethnic branch retail numbers bloke, who has parlayed himself into the position of a national faction leader, or the appearance thereof. Socialist Left insiders have all dismissed the threat, saying that the SDA and the NUW would never join up — and the new Centre Unity faction would tear itself apart in six months if they did.

There is a mild fear among some of what would happen if he pulled it off. “They wouldn’t stick to the ban on challenging sitting members,” one SL source said. “They wouldn’t be able to help themselves. There’s no way this gang would hold together till ’21 [the next Victorian state preselection]. They’d go for Calwell, Jagajaga, Scullin, the new seat out around Sunbury [all in Melbourne’s north], Bruce [in the South-East] and god knows.”

A more realistic fear is that they will manage to increase their strength from the current estimate of around 33% (of the 100 seat POCS, which hands out seat candidacies) into the 40s, or create loose relationships with the SDA or NUW, with no predictability. That would leave Labor with two stability pacts and therefore none, both tying radical left and conservative right unions to each other. “For the past three years, the stability pact has meant that the Opposition is pretty much run out of the Chairman’s lounge at Canberra airport,” said one supporter. “I can see the objections. But I’ve never seen a deal which had less content to it than this, except for personalities.”

God, is this the Australian dream? Does the improbable journey of Adem Somyurek stand for all of us? One day you’re a public policy wonk in a white David Jones shirt, and the next you’re dictating terms to the next prime minister? Simply by saying you want to? “How did Adem Somyurek get a faction?” one Victorian Trade Hall veteran snorted with laughter down the phone. “Come on! How did Theo Theophanous?! You just stick up your hand!”


Obviously made a lot of enemies along the way, needless to say.

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Wokko Pisces

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:07 pm
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Factional enemy removed "Oh my, Dear Leader is the best, most moral leader"

There's not enough eye roll emojis for this post.
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:14 pm
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Nasty little piece of work.

Lets not kid ourselves about why Danny boy acted so quickly on this, it had nothing to do with the factional corruption stuff, branch stacking, paying memberships etc, all of which is highly unethical and against labor rules but not necessarily actually illegal.

It was the language he used in talking about a female colleague that had Albo on the phone to Danny last night

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The secret recordings broadcast last night include threats to the career of Ms Williams, Victoria’s Minister Prevention of Family Violence.

“I will f***ing force her out of the ministry, that f***ing stupid b**ch, when Andrews goes … She’s a stupid, stupid moll,” he says. “I’m going to f***ing knock her f***ing head off. She’s a f***ing psycho bitch.”


https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/zero-tolerance-for-corruption-anthony-albanese-responds-to-victorian-labor-mp-allegations/news-story/cfc4c62035620624611887a62b20ff2a

Fact is, it was well known what he was and what he was like, previously kicked out of cabinet for behaviour toward a woman yet Dan bought him back and made him a minister.

We'll see how decisive he is as the rest of the ministers involved in the branch stacking etc come under the spotlight.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:23 pm
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So it's even weaker than a Machiavellian political assassination, it's just damage and narrative control.

Still, someone recorded and leaked it for a reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:27 pm
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^

100% pure damage control. When a minister is recorded saying he'll knock the fkn head off a female minister, he's cooked.

Ridiculous thread premise but that's what ya get.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:28 pm
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David wrote:
Wasn't surprised to read that it was Somyurek – seems like an archetypal Labor factional headkicker. Rundle's been writing about his backroom machinations for years. Here's an article from 2018, for instance:

https://www.crikey.com.au/feature/red-brotherhood-war/#the-rise-and-rise-of-adem-somyu

Obviously made a lot of enemies along the way, needless to say.


Must have had good photos

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:25 pm
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He didn't need photos, he controlled the numbers.

Good investigative report. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/f-k-the-premier-labor-s-secret-tapes-reveal-industrial-scale-stackathon-20200614-p552g2.html

Once that recording of him threatening a woman was broadcast, he was toast. Albo was on the phone to Dan last night

What will be interesting is what action Decisive Dan will take against all the others implicated in the branch stacking. Leaving it to the cops is a total cop out, he knows it's not illegal, just a serious breach of party rules and highly unethical.

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stui magpie wrote:
He didn't need photos, he controlled the numbers.

Good investigative report. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/f-k-the-premier-labor-s-secret-tapes-reveal-industrial-scale-stackathon-20200614-p552g2.html

Once that recording of him threatening a woman was broadcast, he was toast. Albo was on the phone to Dan last night

What will be interesting is what action Decisive Dan will take against all the others implicated in the branch stacking. Leaving it to the cops is a total cop out, he knows it's not illegal, just a serious breach of party rules and highly unethical.


Regardless, the Premier has acted very quickly. A call with Albo is neither here nor there; just timing and who will say what when.

He was decisive and acted quickly which is what one wants. At the same time Andrews has not just referred it to the Police but to the ICAC as well. That’s not a cop out given it’s all been done in less than 12 hours since the airing of the secret recordings.

Good riddance to faction head.

So far very impressive by Andrews. No Hawaii holiday, no favours for the religious nutters of the pentacostal kiddie fiddlers and sticking to his guns over Covid-19.

(I’m in Sidanee currently and they don’t know what social distancing is here. Unbelievable when you walk down the street or go shopping etc.)

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stui magpie wrote:
He didn't need photos, he controlled the numbers.

Good investigative report. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/f-k-the-premier-labor-s-secret-tapes-reveal-industrial-scale-stackathon-20200614-p552g2.html

Once that recording of him threatening a woman was broadcast, he was toast. Albo was on the phone to Dan last night

What will be interesting is what action Decisive Dan will take against all the others implicated in the branch stacking. Leaving it to the cops is a total cop out, he knows it's not illegal, just a serious breach of party rules and highly unethical.


Regardless, the Premier has acted very quickly. A call with Albo is neither here nor there; just timing and who will say what when.

He was decisive and acted quickly which is what one wants. At the same time Andrews has not just referred it to the Police but to the ICAC as well. That’s not a cop out given it’s all been done in less than 12 hours since the airing of the secret recordings.

Good riddance to faction head.

So far very impressive by Andrews. No Hawaii holiday, no favours for the religious nutters of the pentacostal kiddie fiddlers and sticking to his guns over Covid-19.

(I’m in Sidanee currently and they don’t know what social distancing is here. Unbelievable when you walk down the street or go shopping etc.)


Just sending the State bankrupt and signing up our grandchildren to be Chinese debt slaves. There's nothing admirable about firing someone for threatening physical violence against a female minister, even Joh Bjelke-Petersen would fire someone for that.
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watt price tully wrote:
So far very impressive by Andrews. No Hawaii holiday, no favours for the religious nutters of the pentacostal kiddie fiddlers and sticking to his guns over Covid-19.

No, he's just selling out our state to China instead by signing up to the Belt and Road initiative.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:39 pm
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I think understanding Somyurek's backstory actually gives us a lot of insight into the Andrews government – a notionally left-wing state government that has actually long been captured and dictated to by right-wing factions (something that the China stuff mentioned above is probably not wholly unrelated to; you could write a whole book on connections between the Labor Right and Chinese business interests).

Andrews would probably be very relieved that this guy's gone (for now), but I have no doubt that there are still many gremlins in the ranks that he has to contend with. Still, ironically, probably the best state government in the country, despite it all!

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stui magpie wrote:
Nasty little piece of work. Lets not kid ourselves about why Danny boy acted so quickly on this ...


Main reason? Because he can. He recently won another election, he's led the nation through the Covid crisis, and his popularity is huge.

In politics, popularity is power, and Dan has it. Right now he can run this scumbag out of public life, and the scumbag knows it.

At any other time there would be a power struggle, and a heavy price to pay. Right now, Dan can act as he sees fit and they can't touch him.

Dan da Man!

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If all he had was the branch stacking, he couldn't. He promoted the scumbag back to a minister after winning the last election, despite knowing "his good friend" was a scumbag because of his control of the numbers.

It was the audio of the the comments about the female minister that gave Dan the silver bullet, plus the phone call from Albo that gave him the balls to use it.

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^ Very likely true, Stui.
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