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stui magpie 
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Joined: 03 May 2005
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Time to put this up. The government has decided, with the support of all the usual health nuffies, to ban vaping and the importation of nicotine liquid.
I have no dog in this fight anymore, I quite cigarettes 5 months ago but before that I used vaping as a way to cut down. I know several people who have given up cigarettes completely using vaping, I couldn't.
For those going WTF right now, vaping is the term applied to people using an e-cigarette.
When you buy the liquid from a reputable source, you have food grade glycerol with nicotine and flavours added. The device you use mimic's a cigarette in that you inhale heated vapour and expel "smoke". Nothing burns, you get a nicotine hit in a way that mimics smoking a cigarette but it's a lot better for you than smoking and an absolute fuckload cheaper.
So now it's going to be illegal to import nicotine liquid, a lot of people who've been managing their nicotine addiction with vaping are facing replacing a $40 per month habit (after set up costs) with a $40 per day habit that is worse for their health.
A couple of articles.
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/will-the-july-1-vaping-ban-push-people-back-to-cigarettes/12385698?
| Quote: | | Nicotine e-cigarettes and refills will be banned in Australia from July 1 under pain of a $220,000 fine. In the United Kingdom, they're advertised and sold in hospital foyers. What's going on? |
https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/06/why-does-big-public-health-want-to-keep-us-smoking/?fbclid=IwAR3bYYGRKjLJzRmwe-RdFKpUjSchiWc2kyL393KIZv2xX2iPRAnZTkUDyKI
| Quote: | | My partner started smoking cigarettes in high school. A little over a year ago, he quit, thanks to nicotine vaping. But last week, the Therapeutic Goods Administration, at the behest of Health Minister Greg Hunt, robbed him and thousands of other Australians of the most effective nicotine replacement therapy available. As of 1 July, vapers will face a $220,000 fine if they try to import their nicotine vape liquid from vape shops abroad — even if they have a prescription. |
I personally have 2 different devices and enough e-liquid to last 3 months, if I used it. I don't. I don't smoke or vape any more I quit cold turkey and after 5 months still have moments I could stab someone just to steal their cigarette.
Read the articles, the science suggests that while you can't claim vaping is healthy, it's a lots less bad for you than smoking and the UK, Canada and NZ are promoting it successfully as a a way to give up cigarettes.
If you want, sign the petition here https://www.vapepetition.com.au/?recruiter_id=403011
Yeah, it's from the Libs Nats, 2 people I know shared this link on facebook, 1 is a paid up Labor member, the other would stab you if you implied he voted Liberal.
This is bullshit. We have a whole thread talking about the prospect of legalising drugs when we're about to criminalise nicotine replacement thereapy
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Tannin 
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This has my full support. (I don't smoke and have never vaped.) On my way to sign it now.
And you know my politics.
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Tannin
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PS: Matt Canavan and George Christensen are two of the worst a-holes ever seen in Australian politics. But even a stopped clock is right sometimes. I signed it.
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David 
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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Yeah, I’m with you, Stui. Seems like nanny statism and a move lacking in common sense. Obviously I understand concerns that it could be a way for people to get addicted without the financial deterrent of cigarettes, but surely we know by now that bans aren’t an effective way of dealing with this stuff.
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stui magpie
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Cheers David and Tannin
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Morrigu
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Yep Stui signed from J’s post - ridiculous policy!!!
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pietillidie
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Vaping was a huge step forward, immediately improving life for non-smokers, let alone smokers themselves. Risking those gains is idiotic. Good petition.
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watt price tully 
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I want it banned. We need vaping like we need CornaVirus and cigarettes
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pietillidie
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^Yes, but it's a classic vice. Wouldn't the more effective path be to lessen the evils of vaping over time?
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roar
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| watt price tully wrote: | | I want it banned. We need vaping like we need CornaVirus and cigarettes |
I think it's better to be rid of the nicotine addiction, overall, but don't you believe it is better for someone to vape than smoke, if they are aren't managing to give up?
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watt price tully
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| roar wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | I want it banned. We need vaping like we need CornaVirus and cigarettes |
I think it's better to be rid of the nicotine addiction, overall, but don't you believe it is better for someone to vape than smoke, if they are aren't managing to give up? |
Nope. Vaping is also damaging.
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Tannin
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^ Vastly less so to the user, and enormously less so to all others. What do you have against doing vastly less damage?
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Wokko 
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| watt price tully wrote: | | I want it banned. We need vaping like we need CornaVirus and cigarettes |
If you don't like vaping, then don't vape. Stop begging big daddy Government to ban things you don't like, because eventually they'll ban things you do.
Personally I think vaping is horrible and people doing it look like tools but I signed the petition because tools should have the freedom to be tools if they want. |
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