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stui magpie 
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| think positive wrote: | | K wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | But the residents said they have received nothing or what they have is not good enough
Should we feel sorry for them all? ...
... but maybe I’m just too pissed off now to have sympathy for them. |
David won't be happy, but it looks like they are getting a very good deal. I wonder what the reaction would be if we showed this info to people in other countries. I reckon a lot of them would laugh in disbelief that they're being treated so well. If this stretches out from 5 days to 50 days, without more gifts from Santa, then it may be a bit different. 5 days is nothing. Their whingeing alone takes more than 5 days. |
couldnt agree more.
david said " I really do wonder how many people would be so keen to spruik the merits of this "necessary evil" if they had to trade places."
what if i said you had to do it to protect your son? . |
I see a few different ways to look at this and none of them would think they're getting a very good deal.
1. David's gripe is that he seems to see this action as an attack on a particular "class" of people. The Poor, refugees, etc lets pick on them because we can. This is a very stupid notion
2. The lockdown is completely justified by the numbers in the towers. You can't compare people sharing communal facilities with people going into their own yards
3. The lockdown was implemented really badly. It was rushed and poorly communicated and managed. People found out they were going to be locked down, went to go buy groceries and found the Police already there enforcing lockdown. Someone panicked.
4. Many of the residents can afford to live elsewhere, in private housing but they choose to remain for a combination of factors including it's dirt cheap, great location, million $ views and a community feel with many other people of similar background. They aren't used to being in the flat 24/7, because they aren't normally. They're at work, or in the park, or socialising with others or somewhere else,
So basically, you have a lot of people, many from non-English speaking backgrounds for whom the Police are a symbol of oppression not help, suddenly, with zero notice, being told they're confined to their flat with hundreds of (completely confused) Police there to enforce it. Can't buy groceries, dispose of rubbish (including dirty nappies) but it's OK cos we'll give them some money, some long life food that's past it's best before date and drop some cold sausage rolls outside their front door at 2am.
It's not a good deal, it's a shit deal. But that has everything to do with how it was implemented and nothing to do with whether it was justified or not, which it clearly was.
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David 
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I agree with more than I disagree with there, Stui.
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| Sicks Bux wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Sicks Bux wrote: | | Last week as number of suburbs were going into lockdown the Andrew's Government cut funding for emergency accommodation for the homeless back to pre covid levels. Those of us in the sector were originally told that the 1,500 plus homeless people who were placed in emergency accommodation through covid funding wouldn't be sent back on to the streets but would be given priority access to long term accomodation. Many of them found out last Friday when hotel staff told them that their rent hadn't been paid by their respective support agencies, so they would have to stump up the funds themselves or leave. Seems like a bad decision all round under the current circumstances. |
this should be on a current affair, thats bloody disgusting, no one should be on the street in this weather, or in a country this wealthy., |
Indeed it should. The whole point of providing the additional funds for emergency accommodation was to enable the homeless to social distance to stop/slow the spread of covid19. I don't why they chose last week of all weeks to cut the funding. In this bid to cut costs in the short term they'll actually end up causing further damage to the economy and the public's health. |
If we could afford to house them last week we can afford it this week, end of story. Homeless should not be a thing in this country
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Don’t be surprised if Werribee and surrounding areas is next and soon, and maybe stock up on frozen and fresh if your only option Is Coles!
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eddiesmith 
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| On the timing, given how quickly it was already spreading, you can’t really be slow in enacting the lockdown. What’s the point of giving plenty of notice so they all leave and spread them virus around the whole community? Or just disappear so they’re not locked down? |
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eddiesmith
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| think positive wrote: | | Don’t be surprised if Werribee and surrounding areas is next and soon, and maybe stock up on frozen and fresh if your only option Is Coles! |
I don’t understand why the city is avoiding the lockdown so far? Melbourne is second on the list of active cases with 82. |
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stui magpie
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We give like 36-48 hours notice of locking down suburbs or closing the border. Making a decision to lock down the towers on the weekend with all the support infrastructure off work was deadset dumb.
Smarter would've been to provide 12 hours notice to give people a chance to shop, even smarter would've been provide 36 hours notice but make the lockdown for 14 days and use the 36 hours to sort shit out.
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stui magpie
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Don’t be surprised if Werribee and surrounding areas is next and soon, and maybe stock up on frozen and fresh if your only option Is Coles! |
I don’t understand why the city is avoiding the lockdown so far? Melbourne is second on the list of active cases with 82. |
I was on a hook up earlier today, some people went into the CBD on Friday to collect personal items from the office building. It was all closely managed but the comment from one of the people who went was interesting.
She said the city was very busy and it was hard to find a parking place anywhere
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | On a different note, this is interesting:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/coronavirus-pandemic-may-not-have-started-in-china-experts-say-20200706-p5599t.html
| Quote: | Coronavirus may have lain dormant across the world and emerged when environmental conditions were right for it to thrive - rather than starting in China, an Oxford University expert believes.
Dr Tom Jefferson, senior associate tutor at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University, and visiting professor at Britain's Newcastle University, says there is growing evidence the virus was elsewhere before it emerged in Asia.
Last week, Spanish virologists announced they had found traces of COVID-19 in samples of waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the disease was seen in China. Italian scientists have also found evidence of the virus in sewage samples in Milan and Turin, from mid-December, many weeks before the first case was detected, while experts have found traces in Brazil from November. |
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Yeah, well China has been cultivating these for a while.
| Quote: | VIRUS samples sent to the Wuhan Institute of Virology seven years ago closely resemble Covid-19, according to a report in the Sunday Times that highlights unanswered questions about the origins of the global pandemic.
Scientists in 2013 sent frozen samples to the Wuhan lab from a bat-infested former copper mine in southwest China after six men who had been clearing out bat faeces there contracted a severe pneumonia, the newspaper said.
Three of them died and the most likely cause was a coronavirus transmitted from a bat, the Sunday Times reported, citing a medic whose supervisor worked in the emergency department that treated the men. |
https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/07/606314/report-covid-19-virus-sent-wuhan-2013
But China just keeps on giving.
| Quote: | | Authorities in the Chinese region of Inner Mongolia are on high alert after a suspected case of bubonic plague, the disease that caused the Black Death pandemic, was reported Sunday. |
So Covid19 isn't killing enough people, lets bring back the Black Death.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/asia/china-mongolia-bubonic-plague-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html?
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| 106: A man in his 60s has died in Victoria. |
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stui magpie
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But, FFS, China is having bubonic plague, bat flu, bird flu, pig flu and passing it all round like Yum Cha.
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| stui magpie wrote: | | But, FFS, China is having bubonic plague, bat flu, bird flu, pig flu and passing it all round like Yum Cha. |
Surely you mean trump!
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Wrong thread
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | On the timing, given how quickly it was already spreading, you can’t really be slow in enacting the lockdown. What’s the point of giving plenty of notice so they all leave and spread them virus around the whole community? Or just disappear so they’re not locked down? |
Correct weight Eddie: Had to act first.
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