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Morrigu Capricorn



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:53 pm
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^ Yes K and there is wonderful collaboration with protocols being shared across the world. We await TGA/Government approval that will enable the Blood Service to collect convalescent plasma to enable trials in Australia.
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:09 pm
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Touch of humour (I think?) although the bloke on the couch really needs to get his hands off his face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IJNbqA_JKI

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:44 pm
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Boris Johnson 'Stable and in good spirits'.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52201048
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Pies4shaw Leo

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:57 pm
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All the better, no doubt, for refusing Trump’s absurd offer to have him treated with experimental drugs.

Seriously, though, I hope he’s OK - but the spokesman for Number 10 has to say that, not least because there seems to be some conflagration this morning in the UK within the Government about “chain of command”. They’d better get his illness sorted quickly or there will be people whining about why he’s taking up an intensive care bed if he doesn’t need intensive care.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:23 am
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Wokko wrote:
Boris Johnson 'Stable and in good spirits'.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52201048

Good to hear. Hopefully he starts improving very soon.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:39 am
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Latest numbers

Confirmed (Deaths) - Recoveries

USA = 369,361 (11,032) - 20,003
Spain = 140,511 (13,897) - 43,208
Italy = 132,779 (16,578) - 22,837
Germany = 104,353 (1,851) - 36,294
France = 98,010 (8,911) - 17,250
China = 81,740 (3,331) - 77,184
Iran = 62,589 (3,872) - 27,039
UK = 51,608 (6,236) - 135
Turkey = 30,217 (649) - 1,326
Switzerland = 22,242 (815) - 8,056
...........................................................
Australia = 5,919 (48] - 2,547

1,364,581 confirmed cases
77,547 deaths
294,167 recoveries

Australia:
- Confirmed cases = 5,919
---- New South Wales = 2,686
---- Victoria = 1,191
---- Queensland = 934
---- Western Australia = 470
---- South Australia = 415
---- Tasmania = 98
---- ACT = 97
---- NT = 28
- Deaths = 48
- Recoveries = 2,547
- Case fatality rate = 0.81%

Active Cases = 992,867
- USA = 338,326
- Italy = 93,364
- Spain = 83,406
- France = 71,849
- Germany = 66,208
- UK = 45,237
- Iran = 31,678
- Turkey = 28,242
- Netherlands = 17,229
- Belgium = 16,002
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- Australia = 3,324

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:44 am
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AUSTRALIA

Date = Confirmed Cases (New Cases) = Percentage of new cases

31/03/2020 = 4,561 (311) = 7%
1/04/2020 = 4,864 (303) = 7%
2/04/2020 = 5,136 (272) = 6%
3/04/2020 = 5,362 (226) = 4%
4/04/2020 = 5,552 (190) = 4%
5/04/2020 = 5,693 (141) = 3%
6/04/2020 = 5,800 (107) = 2%
7/04/2020 = 5,919 (119) = 2%

2,547 recovered, 48 deaths.

Cases doubling every 11 days.

545 cases of community transmission nationwide.

VICTORIA

Date = Confirmed Cases (New Cases) = Percentage of new cases

31/03/2020 = 917 (96) = 12%
1/04/2020 = 968 (51) = 6%
2/04/2020 = 1,036 (68] = 7%
3/04/2020 = 1,085 (49) = 5%
4/04/2020 = 1,115 (30) = 3%
5/04/2020 = 1,135 (20) = 2%
6/04/2020 = 1,158 (23) = 2%
7/04/2020 = 1,191 (33) = 3%

686 recovered, 11 deaths.

Cases doubling every 10 days in Victoria.

91 cases of community transmission in Victoria.

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K 



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:16 am
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swoop42 wrote:
Are their different strains of COVID-19?
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Perhaps it's just the perception I have currently and it's a wrong one but this virus whether it be because of exposure levels or something deeper like ones physiological makeup the degrees to which it affects people is widely different and it's not just the elderly.

There were claims of a second strain, which apparently have been retracted.

Yes, it looks like it affects people very differently, even based on gender (men doing much worse).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:23 am
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Here’s how scientists are tracking the genetic evolution of COVID-19

https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-are-tracking-the-genetic-evolution-of-covid-19-134201

"... I am among the many researchers now studying the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 because it can help researchers and public health officials track the spread of the virus over time.
...

RNA is a molecule similar to DNA, and it is essentially a temporary copy of a short segment of DNA. Specifically, in the central dogma of biology, DNA is transcribed into RNA. SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus, meaning our DNA sequencing technologies cannot directly decode its sequence. However, scientists can first reverse transcribe the RNA of the virus into complementary DNA (or cDNA), which can then be sequenced.

Given a collection of viral genome sequences, we can use our models of sequence evolution to predict the virus’s history, and we can use this to answer questions like, “How fast do mutations occur?” or “Where in the genome do mutations occur?” Knowing which genes are mutating frequently can be useful in drug design.
...

Based on current data, it seems as though SARS-CoV-2 mutates much more slowly than the seasonal flu. Specifically, SARS-CoV-2 seems to have a mutation rate of less than 25 mutations per year, whereas the seasonal flu has a mutation rate of almost 50 mutations per year.

Given that the SARS-CoV-2 genome is almost twice as large as the seasonal flu genome, it seems as though the seasonal flu mutates roughly four times as fast as SARS-CoV-2. The fact that the seasonal flu mutates so quickly is precisely why it is able to evade our vaccines, so the significantly slower mutation rate of SARS-CoV-2 gives us hope for the potential development of effective long-lasting vaccines against the virus.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:37 am
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Among many one-month-old articles:

Coronavirus researchers claim virus has split into two strains, but many experts disagree

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-03-06/coronavirus-two-strains-infection-study/12023822

Updated 10 March 2020 at 1:26 pm

"A joint study by researchers from multiple Chinese universities, which has been accepted by Chinese journal National Science Review, looked at 103 genomes of SARS-CoV-2 and found the virus had evolved into two separate strains, known as "S" and "L", with the "L" type being newer, more prevalent and more aggressive.
...

In contrast, other experts in the field say the two types the Chinese researchers claimed to have identified were a result of both normal viral mutation and errors in data that they were relying on.
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"[The differences] are sequence errors which in fact were corrected [by the submitting scientist] very soon after they were originally uploaded to the GISAID database," Professor Mackay said.
...

"They're almost all identical. It's like us putting on different clothes from day to day," Professor Mackay said.

"I can't believe this has been peer reviewed. It's a weak paper and poor science."
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"Two of the key claims made by this paper appear to have been reached by misunderstanding and over-interpretation of the SARS-CoV-2 data, with an additional analysis suffering from methodological limitations," Dr Maclean wrote.

On Twitter, Swiss biologist Richard Neher wrote of the paper that "just taking values at face values will result in wrong, misleading, or downright dangerous inferences"."
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:47 am
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Coronavirus: Are there two strains and is one more deadly?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/

5 March 2020

"Two strains of the new coronavirus are spreading around the world, according to an analysis of 103 cases. But the World Health Organization insists that “there is no evidence that the virus has been changing”. So how many strains are there, and why does it matter?

Viruses are always mutating, especially RNA viruses like this one, coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. When a person is infected with the coronavirus, it replicates in their respiratory tract. Every time it does, around half a dozen genetic mutations occur, says Ian Jones at the University of Reading, UK.
...

“There do appear to be two different strains,” says Ravinder Kanda at Oxford Brookes University in the UK. ...

“I think it’s a fact that there are two strains,” says Erik Volz at Imperial College London. “It’s normal for viruses to undergo evolution when they are transmitted to a new host.”
...

The differences between the two identified strains are tiny. In fact, they can’t really be considered to be separate “strains”, says Jones. And many of the genetic differences won’t affect the production of proteins, and so won’t change the way the virus works, or the symptoms it causes, he says. One is not more deadly than the other.

“In all practical terms, the virus is as it was when it originally emerged,” says Jones. “There’s no evidence it is getting any worse.” The sentiment is echoed by the World Health Organization. The study by Tang and colleagues only suggests there is some genetic diversity of the virus – it doesn’t mean it is changing, a representative told New Scientist.
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Jones says we can expect more strains to emerge. Epidemiologists generally agree that, once a person is infected with the coronavirus, they are unlikely to be infected again – unless the virus mutates to allow it to overcome the immune system’s defences.

This “selection pressure” could lead to the outbreak of a new strain, says Jones. This is the case with seasonal flu – new variants crop up every year that can infect people whether or not they’ve had flu in the past.

We could see the same pattern emerge for the new coronavirus in the coming years, says Jones. “I don’t see it going away any time soon.”"
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:20 am
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Can't agree more with this piece on the draconian social distancing laws that the states have introduced:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2020/04/07/coronavirus-distancing-tests-law/

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Reasonable excuse rules test the limits of commonsense, law and fairness
Michael Bradley


The reflexive “common sense” response to the complaints of civil rights advocates about repressive criminal laws is basically this: what’s the big deal? If you’re not doing the wrong thing, you’ve got nothing to worry about.

In the COVID-19 world, that logic has ramped up with the extra ingredient of necessary expediency: sure, we’re putting up with unprecedented restrictions, but a bit of greyness around the edges of these new laws is to be expected. It’ll be fine, relax.

Sure, until you’re the one standing on a street corner in the middle of the day trying to explain to the armed police officers encircling you why your trip across the road to get a takeway coffee constituted a reasonable excuse to have left your home. On my reading of the NSW law, it may not be. That’ll be $1000 and an experience that only Indigenous Australians usually get to enjoy.

As Easter approaches, this isn’t an abstract concern. Young people in particular are feeling the pinch of domestic confinement and, entirely understandably, keen to test the limits of what is responsibly doable. As matters stand, that is not the same as what is lawful, and that is the problem.

Case study: a man was fined $1000 under the public health order by NSW Police for sitting on a bench on his own, eating a kebab. Sounds unreasonable? The police commissioner was forced to explain subsequently that the kebab guy had already been asked to move on from two other public spots. OK, not that unreasonable. But not until we heard the full context.

Back to the coffee run: one of the reasonable excuses for being outdoors is “obtaining food or other goods or services for the personal needs of the household”. Is takeaway coffee a personal need, or rather an indulgent want? What if you added a bacon and egg roll, but you don’t have a hangover?

As for the exercise exception, it is clear that the police are happy if you’re running, or taking a breath from running. Walking is fine, but what if you’re taking a breath from walking? Sunbaking and reading are not exercise, because the police are not interpreting exercise to include the maintenance of mental health, only the physical variety. Which leaves yoga in a tenuous position, and meditation… well, I don’t know.

Now that’s funny, but not so much for the 17-year-old in Victoria who (as reported by 3AW) got fined $1652 on the weekend for engaging in non-essential travel. She was taking a driving lesson with her mum in the family car.

There is a gaping divide here between the law and its purpose. It is axiomatic that that 17-year-old and her mum presented absolutely no public health risk, to themselves or anyone else. Just as it is obvious that no such risk exists when a person sits under a tree in the park with a book, or goes for a solo surf at a closed beach.

The supposed reason these things are illegal is that the law has been created for the ostensible purpose of forcing us all to stay home and stop the spread of COVID-19. That is an entirely legitimate, justifiable and fair legislative purpose right now.

However, that purpose is disconnected from what the law does. It allows me to go to the shops 25 times a day if I choose. It places no restriction on “exercise”, as that term is interpreted by police. It allows booty calls (in Victoria, explicitly; in NSW, by police commissioner’s discretion).

All those things are arguably reasonable departures from the lockdown principle, but they are not essential and they clearly carry a public health risk. As the law stands, we can happily go out and do numerous unnecessary things, but not a whole pile of other things that are arguably more valuable and less risky.

The only way, with this present mish-mash of laws, to obtain public clarity is for the police commissioner to hold a lengthy press conference every day going through each infringement that’s been issued in the past 24 hours and providing the public with the full context for the police officers’ decision in that situation.

Otherwise, we’re left to guess what is or isn’t okay today, depending on which state we live in and what the attitude of the local coppers may be.
To illustrate the stupidity, the NSW Greens are, as I write, seeking an urgent interpretation from the government as to whether taking a driving lesson would qualify in NSW for the reasonable excuse of “education”. Maybe it will be okay in Albury, but not Wodonga.

It didn’t need to be this way. If the idea is to keep us at home, then keep us at home. Close the coffee shops and non-essential retailers; tell us only one household member can go out once a day for essentials; no visits to family, no visitors, nothing. Lockdown.

Or — if that is deemed too much — get rid of the list of excuses, give us the power to decide what behaving with social responsibility looks like, and remove the police from the equation. They are the last group on earth who should have the power to decide what is or isn’t anti-social behaviour; hasn’t 250+ years of policing history taught us at least that?

Let’s face it: it’s one or the other. This middle road is a debacle.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:24 am
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WTF is a "booty call"?
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:30 am
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A sexcapade, aka what the kids (used to?) call "Netflix and chill", or the enactment of a "u up?" message.

In all seriousness, I think Bradley is making a slightly exaggerated reference to the Victorian exemption for visiting romantic partners; I'm not actually sure whether one-night stands are covered by the policy. (Oh, and if you really want to know the origin of the phrase, here's an interesting article on it: https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/a46054/the-lost-history-of-the-booty-call/)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:39 am
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49: A Victorian woman in her 80s has died in hospital.

50:A 62-year-old woman has become the second person to die from coronavirus in South Australia. She is said to have caught the disease on the Ruby Princess cruise ship.
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