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What'sinaname 
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Private hospitals whinging about lack of work...be careful what you wish for!!!!!
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What'sinaname
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We'll be in isolation for the next six months.
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Tannin 
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | We'll be in isolation for the next six months. |
That is what the Prime Minister is aiming for, six months of this or longer. Start too late, do too little ... well of course it's going to take forever and kill a lot of people.
Contrast with the aim of the state Premiers (esp Vic, WA, Tas, & NSW), which is to go hard and get this damn thing over and finished ASAP with minimal loss of life and the soonest possible resumption of normal service.
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What'sinaname
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Either way, this wont be going anywhere soon for months, or in the case of the USA, years. I suspect the USA will take it seriously when their NFL season is cancelled.
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stui magpie 
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| Tannin wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | We'll be in isolation for the next six months. |
That is what the Prime Minister is aiming for, six months of this or longer. Start too late, do too little ... well of course it's going to take forever and kill a lot of people.
Contrast with the aim of the state Premiers (esp Vic, WA, Tas, & NSW), which is to go hard and get this damn thing over and finished ASAP with minimal loss of life and the soonest possible resumption of normal service. |
Does go hard and finish quick actually work?
Yeah, we could clamp down now, no one leaves their home for 3 weeks, but what happens when normal service resumes?
One infested %$^$%^&%% comes in on a plane and booyah, here we go again.
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Tannin
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Does go hard and finish quick actually work? |
Sure does. There are four or five countries which have gone hard and are coming out the other end of the tunnel right now. A couple of them - South Korea and China - were hit very hard straight up, but are now firmly in recovery mode. Taiwan should have been totally blitzed by it (they have a zillion contacts with mainland China, lots and lots of people coming in) but they went hard and it has been a great success.
Obviously, you have to take a lot of care to avoid reinfection. This means lots of testiing, lots of contact tracing for the odd one that gets through, and a careful, staged resumption of normal life. But it is very possible. We have the capacity to do it. We just lack any leadership.
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swoop42 
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| Tannin wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | We'll be in isolation for the next six months. |
That is what the Prime Minister is aiming for, six months of this or longer. Start too late, do too little ... well of course it's going to take forever and kill a lot of people.
Contrast with the aim of the state Premiers (esp Vic, WA, Tas, & NSW), which is to go hard and get this damn thing over and finished ASAP with minimal loss of life and the soonest possible resumption of normal service. |
Whatever route we have or should have chosen to fight the spread of coronavirus it's now critically important that the social distancing and other measures we have implemented aren't softened or lifted to early otherwise we risk a second wave of infections with a peak higher than the first.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
| Quote: | | The studies reached another important conclusion: That relaxing intervention measures too early could cause an otherwise stabilized city to relapse. St. Louis, for example, was so emboldened by its low death rate that the city lifted restrictions on public gatherings less than two months after the outbreak began. A rash of new cases soon followed. Of the cities that kept interventions in place, none experienced a second wave of high death rates. |
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K
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| Tannin wrote: | ...
"SARS-CoV-2 is the third coronavirus from bats to jump into humans in the past 20 years, after SARS and MERS, which killed hundreds. Ebola, while not a coronavirus, is also believed to have come from bats.
SARS-CoV-2 is far more infectious than MERS and SARS and has already claimed the lives of more than 27,000 patients.
"It is blindingly obvious that we, as humans, have to change the way we interact with the animal world. We have to cut our exposure. Those markets have to go. The illegal trade in wildlife has to end.
"The whole world is now set up for a pandemic; we live in mega cities, there is transport. It's an accident waiting to happen, and it happened."
From - https://www.theage.com.au/national/we-should-have-had-vaccine-already-australian-expert-who-cracked-virus-code-20200327-p54elr.html
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Yes, an accident waiting to happen. The whole world should have been prepared for this years ago.
Holmes says "third in 20 years". A Scientific American article says there have been six similar events in 26 years. The first was in Australia (and is still a problem, but is not wiping out humans in large numbers, so no one thinks about it except the owners of the relevant animal and vets). Illegal trade in wildlife is very bad (and not just for human health reasons), but it's not the only way these things happen. MERS was not illegal trade in wildlife either.
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David
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K
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | Also from the ABC, ScoMo just now on testing here:
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"It is very hard to make comparisons between countries for a range of reasons, the way they are collecting data is different but one of the things in Australia which sets out numbers out in terms of their accuracy is the very high level of testing.
"The figures I have in my morning brief today is that we have a testing rate per 100,000 population of 815.9. That compares to 753.7 in South Korea, 177.9 in the United Kingdom, 486.1 in Canada and 484.6 in Austria. These are indicative examples.
"Our positive testing rate is 1.8 per cent, in South Korea it is 2.4 per cent. In Canada, it is 2.6 per cent."
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Yeah, okay, I guess... but if the PM really wants to compare with other countries, maybe he should also compare with the doubling rate in other countries. We're in the middle of the pack there, aren't we?
How about Iceland?
"Last week, up to 1,800 people were tested in a single day; Iceland has tested a far greater proportion of its population than anywhere else on earth, including South Korea — another country touted for its effective response to the pandemic." (NBC).
Re. their "accuracy" (wrong word, but good enough for PMs), it depends a lot on how many asymptomatic carriers there are, which looks like it's somewhere between 20% and 50% of carriers. This country does not test anyone who is asymptomatic, even if they are health workers, etc.
For most Australians, to get tested you need to "have severe community-acquired pneumonia" with "no clear cause".
If there's a huge shortage of tests, this could be sensible or necessary, but that doesn't mean we achieve "accuracy". |
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stui magpie
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I did something today I just don't do. I humbly suggest you all do similar.
I reached out to some family and friends and did the RUOK.
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K
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The perfect virus: two gene tweaks that turned COVID-19 into a killer
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-perfect-virus-two-gene-tweaks-that-turned-covid-19-into-a-killer-20200327-p54elo.html
"The emergence of SARS in 2003, killing 774 people, should have been a warning: these viruses jumped, and when they did lots of humans died.
We should have started building broad-based vaccines and antivirals that target all coronaviruses.
Instead, SARS was defeated largely by enhanced hygiene measures. Several drugs and vaccine candidates for SARS were developed and then largely abandoned.
“We have been completely complacent,” says Dr Michelle Baker, the CSIRO’s leading bat virus researcher.
“It gets really difficult to get funding when there is not an outbreak. People feel a sense of security. They don’t feel it’s relevant anymore.”
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“Basically, you can work out if a virus is going to be highly pathogenic or not if it is activated by furin,” says Turner.
Bird flu is triggered by furin. We got lucky, though, because it wasn’t very good at sticking to our cells. CoV-2 is great at sticking to our cells. And it’s triggered by furin, among the best triggers a virus can have.
“The combination is what makes it so infectious,” says Turner." |
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K
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think positive
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| stui magpie wrote: | I did something today I just don't do. I humbly suggest you all do similar.
I reached out to some family and friends and did the RUOK. |
Yup
Spoke to both sisters and my dad, and the 2 old ladies up the road, they are both over 60, I’m doing their shopping.
And sending a care package to my cousin in England.
60 min was $$%^%%$ scary
China should be held accountable. They lied. No doubt in my mind. They did this.
The ship Zaandam that people died on today, thatsthe ship we went to Alaska on. $$%^%%$ scary
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