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Lazza 



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:03 pm
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K wrote:
No point pursuing DRS perfection: Ponting

Former Australia skipper labels day three incident a 'mistake' but insists the system will never be foolproof

'Sometimes, Ponting points out, that technology surprises the human eye – like when Paine felt certain he'd been struck outside the line of off stump by the Neil Wagner delivery from around the wicket that dismissed him.

"As far as the ball tracking is concerned, the players have just got to understand that what they sometimes think and feel about what we've learnt about the game over the years (might be wrong)," said Ponting.

"You heard Tim Paine talking this morning about the angle (Wagner) created, he felt he would have had to be outside the line.

"I think it was actually showing that he wasn't outside the line. You just feel as a player (sometimes), 'it must have hit me outside the line'.

"With Ross Taylor's one, Painey felt like that had to be out. If you look at it, it struck him clearly above the knee roll and everything we've always learnt and been told about umpiring is that if you get hit above the knee roll … it's going to go over the stumps."'



[I agree with Ponting there. The players often don't have a clue, but they complain about the ball tracking as if they have perfect judgement. The only way to know how good ball tracking is is to test it properly.]


Testing is good only if you believe the results.

I remember a certain spin bowler whose action was tested and cleared but the results were not believed by most Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:46 pm
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Well, that's different. If you have reputable independent tests, then it doesn't matter what conspiracy theories people come up with.

The problem with the testing of bowling actions is that the bowler might bowl differently in testing, even unintentionally. The fatigue and strain for wickets in a game situation could cause his action to break down, which won't happen in testing.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:45 am
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The umpires see VirtualEye (Fox), not HawkeEye (Seven). Shocked

So that needs to be independently tested too.

Brettig:

"Tim Paine's first innings lbw verdict was shown to be correct by a narrow margin on HawkEye as well as the VirtualEye ball-tracking used by the umpires to make the decision.

While VirtualEye's ball-tracking is used by the host broadcaster Fox Cricket, the rival Seven network has HawkEye ball-tracking in place for analytical use. Both technologies showed Paine was stuck in line to ensure it would not be "umpire's call" and therefore not out, after Neil Wagner's initial appeal was turned down."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:57 pm
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They're obsessed.

Again, he gets the headline.

Ponting’s advice for Williamson to rebound.

Again, nothing from the Skipper or Coach.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:25 pm
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But Ponting is a commentator, so they can just quote what he says on TV or in radio interviews. It's just an easy source for them. JL and TP will only give the regular press conferences.


And Ponting can be honest as a media commentator. JL has to say what he thinks is best for the team, e.g. talk them all up.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:40 am
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Donny wrote:
They're obsessed.

Again, he gets the headline.

Ponting’s advice for Williamson to rebound.

Again, nothing from the Skipper or Coach.


JL was on Cricket 360 on Fox after the game, they might pick up a quote or two from him from that if you're lucky Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:36 pm
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Langer on Paine:

“I said at the start at the start of the summer, he’s almost our most important player, because he’s a very good leader, his captaincy is excellent, he’s the best wicketkeeper in the world, he’s as fit as anyone in the group and we knew that if he believed he could bat as well as we think we can then you’ll see results like we did in the last Test and at times during the Ashes.

“There’s always a bit of conjecture, but certainly not within our camp. I hope he plays for as long as he possible can because his leadership has been brilliant, working with the leadership group I love working with him so certainly no conjecture from our point of view.”
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:05 am
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Ponting backs Labuschagne as future leader

"Australia legend declares world's in-form Test batsman is a candidate to one day take over the captaincy from Tim Paine after day one century at SCG"
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:26 am
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NZ 'no comparison' as Aussies target Test top spot: Ponting
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:51 pm
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Deano on Langer (but no quotes):

Australian cricket needs to ease the burden on Langer

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/australian-cricket-needs-to-ease-the-burden-on-langer-20200123-p53u1l.html

"If I offered you the opportunity to coach the Australian cricket team or an AFL or NRL club, which would you prefer? Which job would be more rewarding?
...

If you look at the salaries of the big three national coaches – in India, England and Australia – Ravi Shastri, Chris Silverwood and Justin Langer get paid around $1 million each year. Please, trust me when I say this, they earn it.

Unlike the AFL and NRL, cricket is a 12-month sport. Langer's workload as a head coach is a major concern for me.
...

Let's look at an AFL coach. An AFL senior coach has a six-month season with, depending on progress in the finals, around 25 match days to prepare for. He mentally and physically prepares his list of 45 players for each game plan and each different opposition. He also has to contend and manage his staff of around 14 specialist coaches to make sure that game plan filters through.

On top of that, he then must deal with the other 40-plus staff who run the club on a daily basis. It is also a massive job.

AFL head coaches' wages vary depending on each individual's experience and success – from $450,000-$1.2 million. Most clubs spend around 30 days on the road. On the other hand Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley would no doubt cop more flak from fans when the Magpies lose than Langer would from Australian cricket fans.

So again, whose job would you prefer?
...

I will leave you with just one more thought. Would you prefer to coach the Australian team to win an Ashes series or even a World Cup? Or would you prefer to coach a club like Carlton, Collingwood or Richmond to an AFL premiership? Or the Brisbane Broncos or South Sydney Rabbitohs to an NRL crown? I know which one I would prefer."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:01 am
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Why players are listening to commentators more than ever before

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28573273/why-players-listening-commentators-more-ever-before

"The line between commentator and/or coach has never been slimmer. Shane Warne is a global commentator and owns a small stake in Rajasthan Royals. Wasim Akram is director of cricket operations at Karachi Kings and does a lot of commentary. Both men are also fixtures at grounds around the world, transient mentors sharing secrets about their craft. Ravi Shastri was the biggest voice in Indian cricket before he took over as coach.

In Australia, Darren Lehmann was the national coach and, at the same time, a commentator on the Big Bash. Sitting next to him would often be Mark Waugh (then Australia selector) and Ricky Ponting (soon to be an Australia support coach). This season the Test captain, Tim Paine, has also been commentating at the BBL. And Mark Ramprakash was often on Sky as a pundit at the same time that he was England batting coach.

Before play begins most days, these former-player commentators are often down on the field, sometimes for broadcast reasons, sometimes catching up with old friends. It's not a new thing, but what has changed is how much players and coaches talk to these former cricketers, and the substance of these conversations.
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In part, broadcasting has changed. Until Simon Hughes started as the Analyst on Channel 4, it was fairly rare for commentators to go into great detail on technical or strategic matters. Now it's more unusual for broadcasters to overlook them.

Team analysts sometimes slip into the Hawk-Eye or TV trucks for intel. Commentators have access to data from CricViz or Opta that allows them to prove a bowler has bowled too short or too straight. Ian Ward gets players to take him through things that have happened in the game, much like a coach would. Star's Select Dugout is a separate service that focuses on in-game analysis and allows for a depth in commentary that isn't usual. (Dean Jones was on recently after he was coaching Islamabad United.) Trent Copeland provides analysis for Channel Seven while still being an active player for New South Wales."
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:51 am
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'At least this is another chance': Ponting says BBL reserve day a must

"In fact, it’s probably the only T20 competition that doesn’t have a reserve day for the final. So something to look at."

(SMH)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:13 pm
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I should have quit earlier but there was a leadership void: Ponting

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/i-should-have-quit-earlier-but-there-was-a-leadership-void-ponting-20200213-p540jg.html


[Just as well we have Tim Paine, or Ponting might be forced to come out of retirement. Wink ]
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:55 pm
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Just as well Paine has Bradsmith, Cummins and Warner to make all his decisions turn to gold.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:16 pm
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Just as well for Paine that oppo sides don't have the 'mighty' Pattinson or the even 'mightier' Zampa Surprised , who both made the Flat-Track Bully look like a fool, exposing his defective technique. The 7 balls FTB faced against Zampa were astonishing. He safely played a total of 3 of them. This on a flat, flat, flat MCG pitch taylor-made for slogathon cricket.


Sadly, though, Paine's decision to send in England in the last Ashes Test was a very costly one. (FTB's very soft dismissal in the second innings, with the series win there for the taking, did not help, of course.) As we all know, Ponting himself made the same mistake before. Sad

Paine's reviews have also been disastrous, but that has continued even after they decided on a team decision strategy, so obviously the whole team is incompetent.
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