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BEAMER09
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| ThePieMind wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: | | ThePieMind wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: | | Achilles wrote: | | One could argue he's the reason we've been successful since he took over. Five grand finals, god knows how many top 8s. I'd only want him to step down if someone of his caliber could fill the void. Having said that, he does annoy me a bit when he doesn't engage brain before mouth. |
1 GF win out of 5 over 20 years is not successful (I'm glad we got 1).
Define success as it ain't Premierships for a supposedly great sporting club and 2 GF wins last 60 years.
Sorry but these are facts and something has to change!!!
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No they not.
2 flags in 29 years and 3 in 61 - are the facts.
2 in 60 is just a deliberate misrepresentation designed to alarm. |
Whether it's 1 in 20 or 2 in 29 OR 2 in 60 or 3 in 61, is a huge alarm in itself.
I don't have an issue which way you represent these figures. The point is for a great club that we are, these are shocking GF figures that are not improving and that's a fact. |
When we won in 1990 we hadn’t won a GF in 32 years.
We lost 66,70,77,79,80,81 and won our 7th in 1990x
We’ve now won 2 in 29 years.
We lost ,02,03 and won 2010.
So not only have we improved our strike rate between GF wins we have also halved the time between flags.
You can say what you like but the numbers don’t support you. |
I took it from 1960.
You took it from 1959 (since our last Premiership in 1958 which is how these figures have come about)
The numbers support me.
The numbers support you.
Why? cause the numbers are fact for both of us.
As for the strike rate and for a huge club like Collingwood, halving our strike rate is not good enough given the GF losses in between.
This could very well turn around in the next 5 years but the club has to be ruthless and have a killer instinct about it to make it happen. When will this happen and when will this turn as it hasn't happened or turned in 61 years.
I'm sure you're sick of it, just like I am and I presume others are as well.
Facts are facts and if it's not right above then please correct me... |
Killer instinct - it’s the great fallacy amongst supporters.
I’ve just given stats that show that we’ve improved our strike rate between flags from 1 in 8 to 1 in 3.
Killer instinct is just rubbish and a concocted catch cry to belt the club with.
It’s just a vague and unactionable phrase people assume offer flags success. |
And to think I got done with playing with numbers - fair enough.
Killer instinct or ruthlessness, whatever the words and maybe you can help to find what those words are but the fact remains that we have won 2 premierships in 61 years so what would you say we are lacking given loss after GF loss?
If we ain't lacking then I guess 2 premierships in 61 years is OK then.
I certainly don't want to see another GF loss because enough is enough!!!
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ThePieMind
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We’ve had ruthless coaches, ruthless players, ruthless captains, ruthless administrators.
What type of “ruthless” am I missing that would have changed our history. |
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RudeBoy
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We haven't had ruthless ruthless players, ruthless ruthless coaches, or ruthless ruthless administrators.
All we seem to have had are ruthless ruthless supporters.  |
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Magpietothemax 
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Eddie was an embararassement to us with his infamous "King Kong" gaffe. This seems to have been conveniently forgotten in all the debates that we are having here about indigenous players, the level of culture at Collingwood, etc, e
The fact that such a comment could escape Eddie's lips, on prime time air, is not just a "slip of the tongue". Unfortunately, it says far more than that.
I would be happy if Eddy resigned because I think that, while he has infused our club with talent and money, he is actually not a positive force, We could do better, and would benefit from a new leader at the helm. Though this is delicate, because it would have to be the right one.
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Damien 
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Until someone better puts their hand up it’s Ed’s gig. BTW there is nobody better.
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| Damien wrote: | | Until someone better puts their hand up it’s Ed’s gig. BTW there is nobody better. |
Would be happy to understand how you know there is nobody better.
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BEAMER09
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| RudeBoy wrote: | We haven't had ruthless ruthless players, ruthless ruthless coaches, or ruthless ruthless administrators.
All we seem to have had are ruthless ruthless supporters. |
And you are probably right that we are ruthless supporters and we should be as we demand to be the best club in Australia as people at the club (or us) keep reminding ourselves but we are not.
All comments on this topic around the club and those involved at the club are fair comments as we want and strive to be a great club.
Words don't cut it anymore and I don't have the answers either but surely after 61 years enough is enough for someone to take control and deliver.
That's right, 'Enough is Enough' and you know why? because 'Facts are Facts'...
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ThePieMind
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| BEAMER09 wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | We haven't had ruthless ruthless players, ruthless ruthless coaches, or ruthless ruthless administrators.
All we seem to have had are ruthless ruthless supporters. |
And you are probably right that we are ruthless supporters and we should be as we demand to be the best club in Australia as people at the club (or us) keep reminding ourselves but we are not.
All comments on this topic around the club and those involved at the club are fair comments as we want and strive to be a great club.
Words don't cut it anymore and I don't have the answers either but surely after 61 years enough is enough for someone to take control and deliver.
That's right, 'Enough is Enough' and you know why? because 'Facts are Facts'... |
You need to explain in what way Eddie has NOT delivered.
And as long as you lumber any President with history he can’t change,
you are being absurdly unrealistic.
Eddie is it not responsible for the past 61 years, nor will his replacement. |
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
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I dare say Ed's most important work for the club is already complete.
It started with the appointment of Malthouse as senior coach who helped restore our esteem after our lowest ebb of 1999, it continued with an ability to lobby the AFL commission for the benefit of all Victorian clubs and culminated with our future secured at our new Olympic Park home.
In reality Richmond has just won a second Premiership in 3 years under a female President that sounds decidedly American so as long as any replacement is a competent communicator and has a strong business acumen I think we'll be fine as other areas of a football club are more important to success than the position of President once you have achieved off field strength and stability.
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BEAMER09
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| ThePieMind wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | We haven't had ruthless ruthless players, ruthless ruthless coaches, or ruthless ruthless administrators.
All we seem to have had are ruthless ruthless supporters. |
And you are probably right that we are ruthless supporters and we should be as we demand to be the best club in Australia as people at the club (or us) keep reminding ourselves but we are not.
All comments on this topic around the club and those involved at the club are fair comments as we want and strive to be a great club.
Words don't cut it anymore and I don't have the answers either but surely after 61 years enough is enough for someone to take control and deliver.
That's right, 'Enough is Enough' and you know why? because 'Facts are Facts'... |
You need to explain in what way Eddie has NOT delivered.
And as long as you lumber any President with history he can’t change,
you are being absurdly unrealistic.
Eddie is it not responsible for the past 61 years, nor will his replacement. |
Easy to explain as long as you stick to the Facts:-
1. 2 Premierships in 61 years - Collingwood
2. 1 Premiership in 21 years - Eddie McGuire
3. 0 Premierships in 8 years - Nathan Buckley
Do you agree and/or are you happy with any of the above?
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Cam 
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1 Premiership in 9 years. From 3 GFs. That's about average over the whole journey.
Every team is different. Records mean jack if its not the same group. The only people comparing are those who are the same group over those many years, ie, supporters.
Happy or not happy, is irrelevant too. We make choices in life. You want to be a vegan, do that. You want to travel, do that. Get another job, hell why not.
If Collingwood doesn't make you happy, then do something about it. Because you can't change them, they are outside your control. You can enjoy their success and hurt when they lose. Or you can nominate a premiership as your only measure of happiness, and that's fine too. It's a choice.
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Pierate16 
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Love the burn by Brian @ the Copeland...
“We’d want no one else as president... at this stage”
Eddie caught it too...
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Cam
Nick's BB Member #166
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| Pierate16 wrote: | Love the burn by Brian @ the Copeland...
“We’d want no one else as president... at this stage”
Eddie caught it too... |
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23 YIPPEE!!!
YIPPEE 23!!!
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| My first thought was a premiership every say 4 years and a very successful era also |
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23 YIPPEE!!!
YIPPEE 23!!!
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| Well that was what was cracked up to be anyway |
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