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Nicky Winmar in bronze at Vic Park. How do you feel about this? |
I'd like to see that. |
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Yes, but not at Vic Park. |
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I don't like the idea. |
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I'm undecided. |
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Presti35
Dick Lee for Legend Status
Joined: 05 Oct 2001 Location: London, England
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thesoretoothsayer
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Only statues of Collingwood players at Vic Park please. |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne
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Yes, I think it was an important moment which needed to happen in football overall, it happened at VP, and in its own way it helped cure the Collingwood Football club of something that needed curing. It was brave and defiant and free of the self-serving behaviour of others who have paraded on this topic. I would be happy to see it. _________________ Two more flags before I die! |
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barrackers
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If there were other statues at Victoria Park I wouldn't be against the idea, but there's not. Surely statues of Collingwood legends at Vic Park should occur first and I'd also argue that Leon Davis has done as much for CFC indigenous relations over 11 seasons vs Winmar's 30 seconds of defiance. |
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5 from the wing on debut
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I was on the Rush Stand half forward flank, Yarra Falls end, when that occurred. It didn't make any impact on us at the time as no-one around us even knew that it had occurred until well after the game.
When I did hear about it my thought was that there were no racist comments from my part of the crowd. |
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daics aka the ruckman
Joined: 30 Aug 2010 Location: Scoreboard Hill @ Vic Park
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barrackers wrote: | Surely statues of Collingwood legends at Vic Park should occur first and I'd also argue that Leon Davis has done as much for CFC indigenous relations over 11 seasons vs Winmar's 30 seconds of defiance. |
I agree. _________________ go pies |
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orie
A MADPIE FOR LIFE
Joined: 11 Apr 2000 Location: Heart and Soul.
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5 from the wing on debut wrote: | I was on the Rush Stand half forward flank, Yarra Falls end, when that occurred. It didn't make any impact on us at the time as no-one around us even knew that it had occurred until well after the game.
When I did hear about it my thought was that there were no racist comments from my part of the crowd. |
I was at that game in the outer and it was the same for us. We didn't even realise it had happened until after the game. No racist comments near us. Truly. _________________ 'MADE IT LEGENDARY' |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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What does "it" refer to? |
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thompsoc
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I was at the ground that day.
Can't remember whether there was any racist comments that day.
But I did hear it at times at other matches.
I knew instinctively then that the age of sledging whether from the crowd or players was over.
Yes, we can't have racist comments but it has gone onto anything that can offend.
We now have crowds that do not yell, do not get excited and the involvement from the crowd is minimal.
It makes for a bland game day experience.
And when you take out the emotion in football you take out the heart and soul.
Because, as I said before, the game of kicking an inflated ball between 2 sticks has no intellectual or noble aspect about it.
The game is tribal, aesthetically interesting and just plain animalistic _________________ we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Mugwump wrote: | Yes, I think it was an important moment which needed to happen in football overall, it happened at VP, and in its own way it helped cure the Collingwood Football club of something that needed curing. It was brave and defiant ........ I would be happy to see it. |
Quite so. I always thought Collingwood has made a meaningful contribution to the race debate in AFL / VFL although not necessarily in ways I would have preferred.
With respect to Winmar I always thought it ironic that (I'm led to believe) his actual words were "It takes guts" when lifting his jumper & pointing to his stomach in brave defiance to the racist abuse he was copping. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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Piesnchess
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thompsoc wrote: | I was at the ground that day.
Can't remember whether there was any racist comments that day.
But I did hear it at times at other matches.
I knew instinctively then that the age of sledging whether from the crowd or players was over.
Yes, we can't have racist comments but it has gone onto anything that can offend.
We now have crowds that do not yell, do not get excited and the involvement from the crowd is minimal.
It makes for a bland game day experience.
And when you take out the emotion in football you take out the heart and soul.
Because, as I said before, the game of kicking an inflated ball between 2 sticks has no intellectual or noble aspect about it.
The game is tribal, aesthetically interesting and just plain animalistic |
ONLY three things should be off limits, racism, gay comments, and sledges about mental illness, which can happen to any footballer or one of us. Other than that, I think most crowd comments and banter should be allowed. _________________ Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb. |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Location: The 18
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It's a pity Winmar wasn't even referencing the colour of his skin when he lifted his jumper.
Of course that truth doesn't match the story many want to tell so it's been reconstructed along the way. _________________ He's mad. He's bad. He's MaynHARD! |
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RudeBoy
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I took my 'wife to be' to that game, because coming from interstate she had no idea of what Collingwood meant to me, so I wanted her to see me in my 'natural habitat' amongst the Magpie Army at Vic Park, before we got married. Anyway, my recollection from sitting not far behind the cheersquad was that Winmar lifted his jumper up and pointed to his stomach as if to say 'guts'. However, it matters not, as we all know that Aboriginal players regularly copped racial abuse on and off the field, so I'm happy to recognise this incident as a pivotal moment in our society beginning to grow up. Walking home from that game that day, I was more depressed because Collingwood had not had a good history with Aboriginal players and I was jealous of teams like st kilda and Essendon who had enjoyed the thrill of having such wonderful and exciting players. |
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Damien
Me Noah & Flynn @ the G
Joined: 21 Jan 1999 Location: Croydon Vic
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Nicky Winmar no way. He's already on a pedestal for that day. He might have done something meaningful for indigenous rights that day but let's just say I don't think as a person he's statue worthy. _________________ 'Collingwood are the Bradmans of Football'
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5 from the wing on debut
Joined: 27 May 2016
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Piesnchess wrote: | thompsoc wrote: | I was at the ground that day.
Can't remember whether there was any racist comments that day.
But I did hear it at times at other matches.
I knew instinctively then that the age of sledging whether from the crowd or players was over.
Yes, we can't have racist comments but it has gone onto anything that can offend.
We now have crowds that do not yell, do not get excited and the involvement from the crowd is minimal.
It makes for a bland game day experience.
And when you take out the emotion in football you take out the heart and soul.
Because, as I said before, the game of kicking an inflated ball between 2 sticks has no intellectual or noble aspect about it.
The game is tribal, aesthetically interesting and just plain animalistic |
ONLY three things should be off limits, racism, gay comments, and sledges about mental illness, which can happen to any footballer or one of us. Other than that, I think most crowd comments and banter should be allowed. |
You are a traditionalist Piesnchess.
I see you left plenty of sledging room for the very rich area of mothers, wives and girlfriends. |
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