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David 
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| Lazza wrote: | | The VP debate happening right now is already more interesting than the Presidential debacle. Pence presenting and faring very well. Senator Harris debating alright but at this very early stage, Pence doing better. However long way to go yet so this might change. |
Anyone who's interested can watch it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_30zgN1E55Q
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^ Thanks, David.
Currently watching it.
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Tannin 
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Pence is noted for his skill at debating. Under normal circumstances, Harris would be happy enough just to wind up somewhere on the same ballpark.
Under these very strange circumstances - with 210,000 Americans dead largely because of Trump-Pence lies and mismanagement - you'dthink Harris would be favoured, but only if she is able to and/or permitted to address the topic. Pence, of course, will be best served by, as far as he possibly can diverting discussion to other things.
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I agree that Pence would want to avoid the whole covid issue but he does have some room for movement with the following bit of info:
Today, officials at the Washington State Department of Health (DOH) confirmed that, as the Freedom Foundation reported on Monday, the state is counting in its COVID-19 death total the deaths of persons who tested positive for the virus but died from other causes.
In remarks made during a telephonic press briefing, DOH officials even acknowledged knowingly including multiple deaths caused by gunshot wounds in the state’s COVID-19 fatality count.
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David
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Weird to think that one of these two will probably be president within a couple of years max.
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| Harris was terrible, all theatrics, little substance. Pence won that easy. |
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| Woods Of Ypres wrote: | | Harris was terrible, all theatrics, little substance. Pence won that easy. |
Your view differs radically from the numbers in the article Pies4shaw linked to, FWIW.
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David
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We all want to know who "won", but ultimately it’s a pretty facile measurement – of course Trump supporters think Pence was better and vice versa, and the chance of getting an "objective" judgement anywhere nowadays is vanishingly small.
Personally, I watched bits and pieces and thought both were okay without being hugely compelling: both career politicians who don’t come across as raving lunatics or nursing home patients, but also aren’t exactly bursting with charisma. It’s not like either made a monumental stuff-up or landed some decisive rhetorical blow, so it’s a draw, functionally – like 90% of these debates.
When it comes to the impact of VP debates on election outcomes, I think it’s apt that the one VP debate "own" everyone remembers was from that year’s losing ticket:
https://youtu.be/NRCWbFFRpnY
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Tannin
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| David wrote: | | We all want to know who "won", but ultimately it’s a pretty facile measurement – of course Trump supporters think Pence was better and vice versa, and the chance of getting an "objective" judgement anywhere nowadays is vanishingly small. |
That's not really true, David. Some of us are able to maintain a sense of detachment, regardless of affiliation. I think the ABC has an excellent summary, as follows.
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Mike Pence did a sterling job with the cards he was dealt.
If he wasn't defending what the editors of the New England Journal of Medicine have today described as the "dangerously incompetent" US response to the coronavirus, he might have emerged the clear winner.
As things currently stand though, he lost.
Firstly, because there was no big moment that would change the course of a Republican campaign that increasingly appears to be going completely off the rails.
Secondly, because many people watching were reminded of the relative serenity of politics without Donald Trump in charge.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/mike-pence-debate-performance-didnt-help-donald-trump/12743598
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I only watched some highlights, but I thought Pence did very well given that he is defending a dangerous clown in the middle of a national catastrophe. Harris made no real errors, but failed to cut through.
But that's missing the point here: Trump is well behind and needs a 10-goal final quarter, but in this last month of the campaign the Republicans have started out by going even further backwards. They need to kick 12 goals to nothing now, and although Pence did all that anyone in his position sensibly could, he emerged from the debate only a couple of behinds better off - nowhere near enough to threaten a comeback.
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David
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Can’t argue with any of that!
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| David wrote: | | We all want to know who "won"... |
Quoting debate poll numbers shows we want to know the impact on the electorate.
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| pietillidie wrote: | | Woods Of Ypres wrote: | | Harris was terrible, all theatrics, little substance. Pence won that easy. |
Your view differs radically from the numbers in the article Pies4shaw linked to, FWIW. |
Correct weight.
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