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| Who do you hope wins the US Election? |
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Wokko 
Come and take it.
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Tucker Carlson nails it completely on Biden, Buttigieg and the Democrat race. A really solid analysis of the whole contest (especially on Biden's implosion).
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David 
I dare you to try
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^ Yeah, very little to disagree with there. I think he's spot on about it being between Sanders and Bloomberg now, and also what that means for the Democrats.
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pietillidie
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Jezza 
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I would be worried if I was the Democrats.
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Pies4shaw 
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| I'd be worried if I were human. |
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David
I dare you to try
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Not sure how much stock to place in this – most incumbent primaries are mere formalities and I’m not sure how many previous presidents even bothered to acknowledge them. Trump, on the other hand, is still doing partisan rallies on a regular basis and clearly has a very devoted supporter base. We know they love him – the question is whether enough of those who don’t will come out on election day to vote for him.
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Wokko
Come and take it.
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David
I dare you to try
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pietillidie
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| David wrote: | | Not sure how much stock to place in this – most incumbent primaries are mere formalities and I’m not sure how many previous presidents even bothered to acknowledge them. Trump, on the other hand, is still doing partisan rallies on a regular basis and clearly has a very devoted supporter base. We know they love him – the question is whether enough of those who don’t will come out on election day to vote for him. |
Panic at the thought of the ultimate humiliation will send him even battier. Someone smart will play this like a violin.
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | I'd be worried if I were human. |
As opposed to..............?
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pietillidie
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The problem is the more important point is that people know he can afford the targeted ads to counter the targeted ads from the other billionaires. The whiff of this amongst Democrats is likely to drive them to him. They will argue he's genuinely self made, genuinely a billionaire, has serious managerial and governmental experience, isn't an institutional beltway insider, is a necessity while Citizens United stands, and that Bernie is a step too far. It's not a difficult game play with Trump as the incumbent.
They can also argue that the real risk to both the US and the planet right now is Trump's fasco-populism, which has allowed every past menace to flourish and added new ones to the mix. And you can't run that argument draped in this unnecessary term 'democratic socialism'. I rate Bernie as a person and a public figure, but the platform needs fast work beyond universal healthcare.
Do you think Bernie can overcome that reasoning? It's obvious to me the US needs a massive policy counter-weight to wind in the wealth gap, stabilise socially, and become less vulnerable to fasco-populism. But I'm not sure people are going to buy Bernie as the solution.
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David
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I had this argument with Stui above, but I think it's important to recognise just how loathed Bloomberg is by the progressive wing of the Democratic Party (not just Sanders voters, but many of those who'd currently be backing other candidates). And that makes nominating him extremely risky, because there are no small number of voters who will simply refuse to back him if he gets the nod – even at the risk of re-electing Trump. It'd be Clinton Mark II but even worse.
Now, I don't know that Sanders necessarily needs to play dirty to win – I suspect that if it comes down to him vs Bloomberg, he may still get enough support to get over the line because of what each candidate is seen to represent; you almost couldn’t get a clearer battle of "good vs evil" (for Democrats, including those not as far left as Sanders) if you tried – but there's no reason why he can't use the threat of a protest vote as leverage if worse comes to worse. In the meantime, every indication is that his program (which is not just about healthcare, but also takes in cancelling student debt, raising taxes on the rich and prison reform, among other things) is resounding with a lot of people, and that the "socialist" tag doesn't seem to be hurting him anywhere near as much as all the pundits think it should.
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pietillidie
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^Yes, that's right I should've mentioned the canceling of student debt, which is another winner and necessity along with universal healthcare. (Increased taxes on the very wealthy is assumed as a necessity to facilitate greater access and capacity, and stop the very wealthy co-opting legislation to increase returns to themselves as a hobby). I'm on board with that, although I would only be talking about alleviating grinding/unaffordable student debt (I'm fine with moderate pay-later schemes as they introduce the element of discipline and seriousness to the decision to study).
But he has to now connect those policies to the real economy. He has to give business, the process which funds these things, scope for vision and new horizons. He has to take and give; simply mentioning 'training' and 'green technology', as if they're the magical sauce that brings wealth generation and social quality together, won't be enough because by now they sound like fluff and cliche (just ask dim-witted ALP governments who still haven't worked that one out).
That and dealing with this ridiculous 'democratic socialism' poison pill are his next tests. He at least broached 'democratic socialism' the other day, but I should hope that's only the beginning. If you're going to use an eccentric term so stubbornly, you owe people clarity.
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pietillidie
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watt price tully 
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Nails it: Bernie plays right into his opponent’s hands. Merit and logic are not features of the right wing in the US. They much prefer the simply disastrous health care system they have now where millions are without health cover.
It’s far easier to exploit fear and encourage resentment
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