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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Democracy and majority rules have a multitude of different incarnations around the world, all legitimate in their own way. The US system is more complex than a simple 2 party popular vote.
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True enough:
One of the best ways to understand the US constitution is to read the federalist papers.
https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/full-text
Its not about liking it or agreeing with it; just attempting to understand it in its context to US history.
For example US senators were not always decided by popular vote; up until the 17th amendment in 1913 they were appointed by state legislatures.
So why would a popular vote for a senator be a good idea or a bad idea?
Some argue that the popular vote of senators weakens state legislatures and that the 17th amendment should be repealed.
None of this stuff is simple 'majority rule's when you get into it.
How many people can actually explain the difference between a parliamentary democracy vs constitutional republic?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/democracy/Democracy-or-republic
At the time the US constitution was written that definition was very much up for grabs.
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David 
I dare you to try
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A good, thorough analysis of the likely outcomes of the presidential election and House and Senate races:
https://m.soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/466-beltway-garage-endgame-102720
Long story short:
| Matt Christman wrote: | | Data plus vibes equals a Biden cakewalk. |
They also reckon the Democrats retake the Senate.
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Tannin 
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^ I read the first three or four paras, which were unrelenting junior high school level Polling and Opinion 101 with no sign of anything intelligent to say, and lost interest. Is there any point in reading the rest or is it all as juvenile as the first bit?
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pietillidie
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^Yes, horrid piece. But they will need to bury Trump by a margin for the mess to be dealt with to any degree, not simply fall over the line.
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Tannin
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^ Yes. Just so. A really big margin, otherwise we will have another stab-in-the-back myth.
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watt price tully 
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538 as at 28/10/2020 US time is giving Trump an 11% chance of winning compared to Biden with an 89% chance of winning.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/
4 years ago the Republicans could engineer an FBI investigation just before the election which was unprecedented and found nothing but the drama was the turning point.
This time there is Covid and they tried the same tactic with Biden Junior but that bullshit has fizzled faster than teenage sex.
Trump was on 13% likely to win last week.
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David
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The mainstream media’s closing ranks on the Hunter Biden story is pretty astonishing, even by the standards of the last four years. Firstly, we were told that the documents were fake or the result of a Russian hack (or both), both of which claims now appear to be bogus. And the consequence is that, a week before an election, a major candidate isn’t even being asked by journalists about allegations of corruption on the part of him and his family members.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored
| Glenn Greenwald wrote: | The oft-repeated claim from news outlets and CIA operatives that the published emails and texts were “Russian disinformation” was, from the start, obviously baseless and reckless. No evidence — literally none — has been presented to suggest involvement by any Russians in the dissemination of these materials, let alone that it was part of some official plot by Moscow. As always, anything is possible — when one does not know for certain what the provenance of materials is, nothing can be ruled out — but in journalism, evidence is required before news outlets can validly start blaming some foreign government for the release of information. And none has ever been presented. Yet the claim that this was "Russian disinformation" was published in countless news outlets, television broadcasts, and the social media accounts of journalists, typically by pointing to the evidence-free claims of ex-CIA officials.
Worse is the “disinformation” part of the media’s equation. How can these materials constitute “disinformation” if they are authentic emails and texts actually sent to and from Hunter Biden? The ease with which news outlets that are supposed to be skeptical of evidence-free pronouncements by the intelligence community instead printed their assertions about "Russian disinformation" is alarming in the extreme. But they did it because they instinctively wanted to find a reason to justify ignoring the contents of these emails, so claiming that Russia was behind it, and that the materials were "disinformation," became their placeholder until they could figure out what else they should say to justify ignoring these documents. |
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Pies4shaw 
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David
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One of those things that’s funny unless it’s true, I guess.
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Sicks Bux 
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Thanks for that. I listened to it the other day. I hope the Democrats win in a landslide and take the Senate. Then they won't be able to blame the Republicans for blocking progressive policies. It's about the best outcome progressives can hope for at this stage.
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watt price tully
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| David wrote: | The mainstream media’s closing ranks on the Hunter Biden story is pretty astonishing, even by the standards of the last four years. Firstly, we were told that the documents were fake or the result of a Russian hack (or both), both of which claims now appear to be bogus. And the consequence is that, a week before an election, a major candidate isn’t even being asked by journalists about allegations of corruption on the part of him and his family members.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored
| Glenn Greenwald wrote: | The oft-repeated claim from news outlets and CIA operatives that the published emails and texts were “Russian disinformation” was, from the start, obviously baseless and reckless. No evidence — literally none — has been presented to suggest involvement by any Russians in the dissemination of these materials, let alone that it was part of some official plot by Moscow. As always, anything is possible — when one does not know for certain what the provenance of materials is, nothing can be ruled out — but in journalism, evidence is required before news outlets can validly start blaming some foreign government for the release of information. And none has ever been presented. Yet the claim that this was "Russian disinformation" was published in countless news outlets, television broadcasts, and the social media accounts of journalists, typically by pointing to the evidence-free claims of ex-CIA officials.
Worse is the “disinformation” part of the media’s equation. How can these materials constitute “disinformation” if they are authentic emails and texts actually sent to and from Hunter Biden? The ease with which news outlets that are supposed to be skeptical of evidence-free pronouncements by the intelligence community instead printed their assertions about "Russian disinformation" is alarming in the extreme. But they did it because they instinctively wanted to find a reason to justify ignoring the contents of these emails, so claiming that Russia was behind it, and that the materials were "disinformation," became their placeholder until they could figure out what else they should say to justify ignoring these documents. |
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Ahem:
"...The Intercept strongly countered those claims, with Editor in Chief Betsy Reed telling The Washington Post in an email that “it is absolutely not true that Glenn Greenwald was asked to remove all sections critical of Joe Biden from his article. He was asked to support his claims and innuendo about corrupt actions by Joe Biden with evidence.”...
The Intercept, which is published by nonprofit First Look Media, called it “a preposterous charge that The Intercept’s editors and reporters, with the lone noble exception of Glenn Greenwald, have betrayed our mission to engage in fearless investigative journalism because we have been seduced by the lure of a Joe Biden presidency.”...
“A brief glance at the stories The Intercept has published on Joe Biden will suffice to refute those claims,” the statement continued..."
Looks like there's more to being a martyr than first appears:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-intercept-resigns/
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Tannin
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Look at David .... happily quoting argument that there is "no evidence" to support the debunking of a baseless political clam for which there was never any evidence in the first place.
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