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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:11 pm
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No, he's not. He's very good in a local context, but everyone wants to talk about global history. And, yes, it is going overboard when he is praised for the luck he gets, e.g. Baum implying that he forced his part-nemesis Leach to bowl the no ball that reprieved him. That's just baloney that a disciplined journo would not have written.

Do you seriously think that the standard of Test batting in the world has not fallen off a cliff?


As for your claims about not getting an armchair ride, well, that's just vague speculation about psychology, i.e. that it's difficult batting in a bad team. The more important factor is whether the batting itself is technically difficult. That includes where you come in to bat. Look at how much harder it is for Root just moving up one spot from 4 to 3. And Smith hasn't been in a situation, as far as I can remember, where he is literally batting to save or win the match (e.g. guiding a run chase home or batting out day 5).


When is he supposed to have batted with the flu? Yesterday? Is that the excuse the fans have come up with for all the trouble he had with Curran?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:44 pm
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"His 80 on Friday was not his most fluid innings (he admitted after play he was suffering from flu) but it was once again the cornerstone of Australia's innings." - cricket.com.au
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:23 pm
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Donny wrote:
Sids is way low because, if a player is still available but not getting selected (for whatever reason), he loses ratings points, every time his team plays..


Another: Matt Wade is a 4 centuries Test batsman but is ranked 78th (up 32 places after his 5th. Test ton).

He's missed many Tests over recent years. Played just 27 in 7 years - missing Tests when Nevill & Paine were selected to keep.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:44 pm
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With the news Root is dropping back to 4 in the batting order, I looked at his averages:

At 3: 49 innings, 1792 runs at 38.12, with 2 centuries & 13 50s.

At 4: 61 innings, 2807 runs at 48.39, with 7 centuries & 20 50s.


Joe isn't everyone, but batting at 3 is harder.

Others haven't played a lot in both positions, so it's harder to make a meaningful comparison.

e.g. Kohli:

At 3: 6 innings, 97 runs at 19.40, with 0 centuries or 50s.

At 4: 94 innings, 5270 runs at 59.21, with 21 centuries and 13 50s.

e.g. S. Waugh:

At 3: 7 innings, 252 runs at 36.00, with 1 century and 1 50.

At 5: 142 innings, 6754 runs at 56.28, with 24 centuries and 29 50s.


But e.g. Greg Chappell played a bit more (at 3), so he may be almost as good an example as Root:

At 3: 38 innings, 1649 runs at 43.39, with 5 centuries and 6 50s.

At 4: 86 innings, 4316 runs at 59.12, with 15 centuries and 19 50s.

Admittedly, not everyone has a worse record at 3 than 4. e.g. David Gower:

At 3: 56 innings, 2619 runs at 49.41, with 8 centuries and 10 50s.

At 4: 91 innings, 3223 runs at 38.36, with 3 centuries and 20 50s.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:43 pm
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Rohit Sharma was ranked #54 on the ICC Test batsmen ratings.

Will be interesting to see how many places he climbs, after 176 & 127.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:51 pm
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India batsman Rohit Sharma, who became the first player to score a century in each innings of his maiden Test as an opener, on Monday jumped to a career-best 17th position in the ICC Test Player Rankings.

Rohit, who now has five centuries from 28 Tests, gained a whopping 36 slots after his knocks of 176 and 127 in the first Test against South Africa in Visakhapatnam helped India win by 203 runs and take a 1-0 lead in the three-match series.

The other opener Mayank Agarwal has also attained a career-best 25th position after his first innings double-century lifted him 38 places.

Captain Virat Kohli, who retained his second spot, has dropped below the 900-point mark for the first time since January 2018. He is now on 899 points, 38 behind top-ranked Steve Smith of Australia.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/icc-test-player-rankings-rohit-sharma-virat-kohli-r-ashwin-mayank-agarwal-1606999-2019-10-07

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:29 pm
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Batsmen.

1 Steve Smith 937
2 Virat Kohli 899
3 Kane Williamson 878
4 Cheteshwar Pujara 818
5 Henry Nicholls 749
6 Joe Root 731
7 Quinton de Kock 729
8 Tom Latham 724
9 Dimuth Karunaratne 723
10 Ajinkya Rahane 719

17 Rohit Sharma 650

24 David Warner 623

27 Usman Khawaja 615

32 Travis Head 589

35 Marnus Labuschagne 571

54 Shaun Marsh 514

60 Peter Handscomb 491

77 Matthew Wade 424

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:38 pm
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Bowlers.

1 Pat Cummins 908
2 Kagiso Rabada 828
3 Jasprit Bumrah 827
4 Jason Holder 814
5 Vernon Philander 811
6 James Anderson 798
7 Trent Boult 795
8 Neil Wagner 785
9 Kemar Roach 780
10 Ravi Ashwin 770

13 Josh Hazlewood 754

18 Mitchell Starc 689

22 Nathan Lyon 657

38 Peter Siddle 447

52 Mitchell Marsh 326

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:38 am
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Rohit 212.

Pujara 0.

Kohl 12.

de Kock 4.

Rahane 115.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:59 pm
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After the Oz/Pak, B'desh/India and Caps/Poms Tests.

Batting.

1. Steve Smith 931
2 Virat Kohli 928
3 Kane Williamson 877
4 Cheteshwar Pujara 791
5 Ajinkya Rahane 759
6 Henry Nicholls 744
7 Dimuth Karunaratne 723
8 Tom Latham 707
9 Ben Stokes 704
10 Mayank Agarwal 700

11 Joe Root ENG 697
12 BJ Watling NZ 693
13 Rohit Sharma IND 688
14 Marnus Labuschagne 684
15 Babar Azam PAK 683

17 David Warner 666

22 Asad Shafiq PAK 648

28 Usman Khawaja 608

35 Travis Head 578

54 Shaun Marsh 508

59 Peter Handscomb 486

62 Joe Burns 473

67 Tim Paine 462

70 Matthew Wade 445

89 Mitch Marsh 386
90 Cameron Bancroft 383
91 Mitchell Starc 378
92 Kurtis Patterson 376
93 Aaron Finch 363

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:06 pm
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Bowling.


1 Pat Cummins 907
2 Kagiso Rabada 839
3 Neil Wagner 816
4 Jason Holder 814
5 Jasprit Bumrah 794
6 James Anderson 790
7 Vernon Philander 783
8 Kemar Roach 780
9 Josh Hazlewood 772
9 Ravi Ashwin 772

11 Mohammad Shami IND 771
11 Trent Boult NZ 771
13 Mohammad Abbas PAK 762
14 Tim Southee NZ 761

16 Stuart Broad ENG 721
17 Ishant Sharma IND 716
18 Mitchell Starc 715
19 Yasir Shah PAK 690

22 Nathan Lyon 641

29 Ben Stokes ENG 571

36 Peter Siddle 443

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:45 pm
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Steve Smith at number 1, again? There must be something wrong with the metrics, Donny. Wink

Since Cummins is plainly, just watching him with the naked eye, the best bowler in world cricket by a considerable margin, it must just be a problem with how they assess the batsmen. They obviously need to stop using total runs, 100s and 50s for assessing batsmen because a guy who isn't any good is topping all of those things. It's a quandary. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:39 pm
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Hand on heart, did you accept that Dilip Vengsarkar was the best batsman in the world in the 80s because that's what the rating system said?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:40 pm
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Will be interesting, when the new ratings come out.

Warner 335 n.o.

Smith 36.

Root 226.

Labuschagne 162.

Williamson 104 n.o. (when rain stopped play, today)

Lyon 5/63.

Starc 6/66.

Lyon & Starc will both move up and Warner & Labu should make the top 10. Smith will probably drop to #2.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:54 pm
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As predicted by Nick's. Not by Ricky Ponting. Smile

Batsmen.

1 Virat Kohli 928
2 Steve Smith 923
3 Kane Williamson 877
4 Cheteshwar Pujara 791
5 David Warner 764
6 Ajinkya Rahane 759
7 Joe Root 752
8 Marnus Labuschagne 731
9 Henry Nicholls 726
10 Dimuth Karunaratne 723

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