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i watched, the first video is just words, who knows whats true?
the second is bad. but id like both sides of the story. we have absolutely no idea what happened before that scene.
so $�$%^%%$ easy to sit back and be a keyboard warrior...
from Mugwump: "civilian and military oversight are both necessary. But combat soldiers should be judged mostly by those who understand the pressure under which they operate."
i cant even imagine what these soldiers go through, mentally, physically, and dont think for a minute that Australian personnel have not been subjected to this and worse.
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^^ Really, TP?
I have no doubt it's true. No way would the whistleblower make this up.
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stui magpie 
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I read it. Did I read that this person has come out as a whistle blower just before the results of an inquiry are to be given? Did they give evidence to the inquiry?
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| think positive wrote: | ...
i cant even imagine what these soldiers go through, mentally, physically, and dont think for a minute that Australian personnel have not been subjected to this and worse. |
Well, if the victims are civilians the equivalent would be Australian civilians subjected to this in Australia... which we hope has not happened. |
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watt price tully 
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| think positive wrote: | i watched, the first video is just words, who knows whats true?
the second is bad. but id like both sides of the story. we have absolutely no idea what happened before that scene.
so $�$%^%%$ easy to sit back and be a keyboard warrior...
from Mugwump: "civilian and military oversight are both necessary. But combat soldiers should be judged mostly by those who understand the pressure under which they operate."
i cant even imagine what these soldiers go through, mentally, physically, and dont think for a minute that Australian personnel have not been subjected to this and worse. |
Watch Four Corners. I'm no judge and jury but some soldiers are guilty of murder: they planted radio's to cover their murder (as their Modus Operendi). Even a scumbag Liberal party conservative ex-soldier Andrew Hastie has pubilcly thanked the whistle blower and acknowledged his courage.
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^ Yep. Absolutely no justification for sugarcoating this or getting defensive about it.
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think positive
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Not sugarcoating, I just want both sides of the argument
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David
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I feel like we already got "the other side" (i.e. military propaganda) in the past five, ten, fifteen years, and that's all we ever usually get. This is a rare instance of someone actually being brave enough to contradict that.
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stui magpie
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If that's the case, then great. I still have questions.
Did this whistleblower testify to the recent inquiry?
Where did that footage come from and was that provided to the inquiry?
If the answers are no, then why?
Just because detail pops up that agrees with your world view doesn't make it true.
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think positive
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Yup, exactly and as much as I’m pro our military David, your anti our military!
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
If that's the case, then great. I still have questions.
Did this whistleblower testify to the recent inquiry?
Where did that footage come from and was that provided to the inquiry?
If the answers are no, then why?
Just because detail pops up that agrees with your world view doesn't make it true. |
I mean, the footage is literally there in the article. Are you suggesting it could have been faked? Otherwise, I do generally trust Four Corners' journalistic integrity, yes.
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watt price tully
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
If that's the case, then great. I still have questions.
Did this whistleblower testify to the recent inquiry?
Where did that footage come from and was that provided to the inquiry?
If the answers are no, then why?
Just because detail pops up that agrees with your world view doesn't make it true. |
You should try and get a TV with the ABC on it  
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
If that's the case, then great. I still have questions.
Did this whistleblower testify to the recent inquiry?
Where did that footage come from and was that provided to the inquiry?
If the answers are no, then why?
Just because detail pops up that agrees with your world view doesn't make it true. |
I mean, the footage is literally there in the article. Are you suggesting it could have been faked? Otherwise, I do generally trust Four Corners' journalistic integrity, yes. |
I saw the footage. I'd expect that the footage would have been downloaded from the camera after the mission. The soldier wearing the camera wouldn't necessarily have access to it and I assume he wasn't the whistle blower as every bloke in the SAS would know who is is by the dogs name.
So once video has been downloaded, where did it go? How did the whistleblower get it? Why release it now? Was it manipulated before the ABC got it? Does it actually show the killing shots? (the one online goes black at that point)
If there's a current affairs program I'd trust to not make up sensationalist crap, it would be 4 corners, they do have integrity. I just have questions.
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You should try and get a TV with the ABC on it |
I do, I usually watch the ABC news at 10pm before going to sleep. Have you considered getting a TV that has more channels than just the ABC?
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think positive
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so change the title to war Crime, drop the S. the video shows one incident, and who knows what happened before the start of the tape? the other one talks of incidents, ive watched enough of SVU and judge judy to know thats not acceptable evidence.
if this happened as shown, its disgusting, and he should be charged with murder, but i want to hear his side of the story.
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Wokko 
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Being a bit of a student of military history I'd be more surprised if this didn't happen. Not making any excuses for it, but when you take young men and train them to be killers who don't hesitate you're going to get psychopaths and the traumatized in near constant stress and horror.
TBH we shouldn't be there in the first place, it was a war with no objective but to play with new toys in a sandbox. Those who ordered our troops there deserve to be in jail even more than the murderer (and from all the evidence that's what the soldier is, and he's not alone, he's just the only one on camera so far). |
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