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David 
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Can't read it, paywall.
Why out of the thousands of false allegations, especially against male students do they go with one against a woman for the story? |
I don’t know for a fact they haven’t covered other cases like this – but either way, this is a pretty extraordinary story.
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stui magpie 
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I read some of it, I suspect there's little extraordinary about it.
Confidential settlements have been a way of resolving both fake and genuine claims for ages. People do fake allegations for all sorts of reasons, not always obvious, and social media now just makes it so easy to slander someone
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David
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When your own slogan comes back to bite you:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/opinion/tara-reade-believe-all-women.html
(For what it’s worth, I think trying to argue for a distinction between "believe women" and "believe all women" is disingenuous hair-splitting; as someone mused on Twitter in response, are we supposed to interpret "black lives matter" as referring to only "some black lives in certain situations"? No, because it’s a categorical statement and broadly interpreted as such. If not, there would have been no justification for outrage over Trump saying "Mexicans are rapists", etc.)
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stui magpie
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This one is being twisted because of how Tara Reade's allegations were seemingly treated different by media because of who she accused and that allegations against someone who the media is less sympathetic to get more traction.
Personally I don't care for these glib hashtags such as "Believe Women" or Black lives matter", they're 21st century bumper stickers only less permanent.
All lives should matter and anyone who makes allegations of mistreatment should be believed in the context that their complaint should be taken seriously and investigated, but not in the context that it removes or over rides the presumption of innocence of the accused.
In these days of trial by social media you're going to get different treatment of different people by different groups and they'll all throw names and insults at each other .
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Wokko 
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The liberal left in the USA are a vile bunch. "I believe Biden raped Tara Reade but I'm voting for him anyway" for example and just about every iteration of hypocrite before and after articles re: Kavanaugh and Biden.
Happy to use sexual assault allegations to destroy a man on the Right while actively suppressing, denying, minimizing allegations against the Left.
I've seen some Bernie supporters and Socialists be far more ethical but it seems they've become nothing but voices in the wilderness. I still think that the Establishment Democrats will use this as an excuse to dump Joe and install Hillary once it becomes apparent he's entirely unelectable but they may just be happy to throw 2020 and put up whoever they really want in 2024 who will, in the absence of another Trump style populaist, romp to victory. Not too many two termers lead into another President from the same side. |
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David
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This might just be the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen: Spike Lee mildly stands up for his "friend", Woody Allen, and then walks it back and grovels hours later:
https://deadline.com/2020/06/spike-lee-walks-back-comments-defending-friend-woody-allen-against-cancel-culture-1202958635/
| Quote: | In a Friday interview on New York City radio station 710 WOR’s “In the Morning” program, Lee discussed Allen’s fall from grace with hosts Len Berman and Michael Riedel.
“I’d just like to say Woody Allen is a great, great filmmaker and this cancel thing is not just Woody. And I think when we look back on it we are going to see that — short of killing somebody — I don’t know that you can just erase somebody like they never existed,” Lee stated.
The director appeared on the program to promote his new Netflix film Da 5 Bloods. When the conversation turned to Allen, Lee explained, “Woody is a friend of mine, a fellow Knicks fan, and I know he’s going through it right now.”
It didn’t take long for Lee to start “going through it” himself. On Saturday afternoon, he issued an apology on social media saying he was “wrong” to defend Allen.
“I Deeply Apologize. My Words Were WRONG. I Do Not And Will Not Tolerate Sexual Harassment, Assault Or Violence. Such Treatment Causes Real Damage That Can’t Be Minimized.-Truly, Spike Lee,” the filmmaker tweeted at 5:14 p.m. ET. |
Lest we forget, Allen has been the subject of an unproven – and heavily disputed – allegation of sexual assault, and has effectively been permabanned from making and releasing films in the US as a result. So whatever your views on the case, I would have thought it perfectly reasonable to express concern over attempts to erase an artist’s work and – if you are a "friend", as Lee claimed to be – to have some empathy for their situation. That is all he did. So, to then backflip and apologise for expressing those feelings, painting them as unequivocally "WRONG" and tantamount to "tolerating" and "minimizing" sexual predation, is surely much worse than just staying silent in the first place.
Of course, some media outlets naturally think that this is all perfectly reasonable:
https://news.avclub.com/spike-lee-defends-woody-allen-and-then-immediately-real-1844032337
| Quote: | | One could argue that he’s not necessarily defending Allen against the longstanding allegation that he molested his adopted daughter Dylan Farrow when she was a child, just that he’s saying you can’t completely cut someone out of the world the way people have with Allen, but that’s not really much different. |
Nice logical feat there! Anyhow, now Lee’s publicly washed his hands of Allen, he can go back to being cool and okay again (just read the adulatory replies under the Tweet). Phew! His publicists must be very relieved. 
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Wokko
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| Something tells me a paymaster got on the phone and yanked him back into line. |
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stui magpie
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Of course it's pathetic, it's also the current reality where allegations are sufficient to ruin careers as is deviating from the party line.
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David
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| Wokko wrote: | | Something tells me a paymaster got on the phone and yanked him back into line. |
Yep. He has a new film out, coincidentally...
Beyond any specifics to this case, I think what I've always hated about this kind of thing is that we can reasonably believe that what he said in the radio interview was his authentic opinion on the subject. So why all the applause for backflipping 24 hours later and performing penitence? Nobody "learns and grows" (as cancel-culture proponents like to say) that quickly; it takes time to reflect and actually meaningfully change your opinion on something. So I guess the only thing I wonder is, why isn't the cynicism of all this obvious to everybody? If it was, then these "apologies" would be worthless, and – barring absolute foot-in-mouth moments, of which this clearly wasn't – people would actually have to live with what they say, for better or for worse.
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Wokko
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Because it's not about the issue it's about the power and control. If you can silence a dissenter, even a very mild one like the example you gave within 24 hours then you can silence anybody.
Mel Gibson was silenced for over a decade, it took Robert Downey Jr standing up for him at a time when RDJ was untouchable. Kevin Spacey will probably never be mentioned by the industry again and his back catalogue will be hidden behind the counter like a porno in the 80s. Who'd dare stand up for Spacey these days? |
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stui magpie
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Be a great case to be on jury duty. Jury selection will be a hoot
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stui magpie
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Just don't try his signature move with any fellow jurors.  
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Isthis just about sexual harassment or physical abuse too?
I just read allegations on Derry. Hitches page about Peter Brock beating the crap out of his wife, at least one of them. I’ve never heard this before. I feel like I just got gut punched by Ali.
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