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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:52 pm
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When Biden is openly backing genocide in Gaza, openly fuelling the war in Ukraine, declaring that UAW striking workers must return to work on contracts that maintain the two tier wage system, impose massive real wage cuts and no let up in exploitative conditions, why would the vast mass of the population see him as an "alternative" ? They would rather stay at home rather than make any effort to vote.

He's not openly backing the wanton destruction. Whatever his weaknesses he seems to have openly opposed it as far as he can in a system where he does not have absolute power regardless of what he thinks.

You can't posit absolute political dictatorship when assessing American politics, as if no balance of power or competing power exists in what is a highly divisive system that can't even pass budgetary measures. There is still legislation to pass, votes to secure, extremists to fend off, and a public that is massively divided and unstable.

Biden is part of a political system currently controlled by far-right MAGA nutcases, whatever his and the country's foibles. Go too hard on Israel, and give the deranged Trump a free kick, tripling the risk he represents from Stalinesque state-mandated childbirth to outright totalitarian collapse. That's what complex adult responsibility and risk management in systems no individual controls and we all inherited without choice have to consider, as opposed to internet posturing.

Nutteryahu is using Trump to blackmail America into not drawing a harder line. At the same time, Israel is still completely at existential risk, no matter how repulsive Netanyahu might be. If the US backs out completely, Israel is wiped out in five minutes. Will you take responsibility if Israel is wiped out, or Trump gets into power and starts a Pacific War with China that drags in Australia? There's a reason no one has granted you responsibility for these things or perhaps anything much at all, and it's not that you've been unfairly passed over.

Your fundamentalist repetition doesn't pass either the sniff or analytical test, no matter what one thinks of any of the parties involved. The US is indeed a massive risk for the rest of us, and it keeps getting many things massively wrong, but it's by no means the sum of all risks. And of course that's why your ideas will never ever see the light of day, no matter how right you are on some aspects of these problems.

When everyone sins except you, you surely have to wonder if you're playing a different game on a different planet, and by doing so not proving you're special, but rather fooling yourself as you sidestep real-world adult responsibility. No one buys your reduction of the world to nineteenth-century Marxian discourse any more than they buy the far-right's nineteenth-century Evangelical discourse, and no one will ever buy it unless they're worked up into a rabid Khmer Rouge-like trance.

That gap between your ideas and pronouncements and the bounds of politics and economies is dissociation. It's not insight. Detached ideas without feasible pathways are creative art, not management and not risk management.

Grow up and take responsibility for navigating complexity, rather than shielding yourself behind unelectable, utopian nonsense. It's no more helpful than mindless far-right parochialism and utopian libertarianism. You are more intelligent and capable than this parroting act; let the cult go and stand on your own two feet.

Things are surely out of hand when I'm the one forced to defend the powers that be given my contempt for unaccountable power. In other company, I'm forced to assert American risk using Chomskyan ideas. It's all about balancing competing risks, including some of the risks you rightly point out, not overstating one risk at the expense of another to achieve ideological symmetry.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:23 pm
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Things are surely out of hand when I'm the one forced to defend the powers that be given my contempt for unaccountable power. In other company, I'm forced to assert American risk using Chomskyan ideas. It's all about balancing competing risks, including some of the risks you rightly point out, not overstating one risk at the expense of another to achieve ideological symmetry.

You should think about this last paragraph more profoundly. If you are forced to defend the powers that be, given your contempt for accountable power, - whereas in other company, you don't do this - perhaps you should probe why this is the case for you. It might provide more insight.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:39 pm
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Magpietothemax wrote:

You should think about this last paragraph more profoundly. If you are forced to defend the powers that be, given your contempt for accountable power, - whereas in other company, you don't do this - perhaps you should probe why this is the case for you. It might provide more insight.


You're on the wrong team mate, they don't have your back, they make money off your back, and historically they're the ones that run out of ideas and turn to fascism and then break your back.

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