Post inauguration Trump:

[doriswilgus]

[stui magpie]

Smells like a Democrat witch hunt, which is not to say there's no truth to the allegations, but each of the separate inquiries have been initiated by prominent Democrats as I understand it.

The sad thing is both that he's clearly the front runner for the Republican nomination while clearly being unsuited to any public office and that the Democrats are so threatened by him that they're pulling out all stops.

What a farce of a political system.

[David]

Put all that to one side, though – do you think trying to overturn the results of a democratic election through lies and subterfuge shouldn’t be prosecuted? And if not, why shouldn’t a former president who organised that conspiracy be accountable to the rule of law?

In America, prosecutors and judges are all political appointees, either explicitly or implicitly. The bigger perversion of justice for me is not that Democratic appointees are pursuing this case, but that their Republican counterparts won’t touch it with a ten-foot pole. Their silence is much more damning than any ulterior political motives on the Democrats’ part.

The problem with witch hunts wasn’t that people were being persecuted, but that the so-called witches were completely innocent but nonetheless got hounded by prejudiced mobs looking for blood. Someone who is being pursued by the courts and actually committed the crime that they’ve been accused of (and probably many more; no-one can seriously doubt his guilt here) isn’t the victim of a witch hunt – that’s merely the justice system working as it should.

Ultimately, this doesn’t affect his electorability as he’s still allowed to run and win (which is a rule that I support, incidentally, though find it strange that convicted criminals can run for office but are barred from voting in many states). So this isn’t standing in his way; but if it costs him credibility, then good, because it should. Even ignoring his laughable unsuitability for public office in general, what he did after the 2020 election should bar him from ever holding the presidency again – and a functional system would have ensured that by impeaching him to begin with.

[stui magpie]

[lazzadesilva]

That’s very true but I feel that the evidence will be overwhelming to prove the allegations. Not looking good for him even at this early stage. However I have got my popcorn machine ready to go and watch the circus 🎪 🤡

[David]

Given how comically inept he and his legal team were, I think it's highly unlikely they did anything to cover their traces or give them some sort of legal out. What I've heard is that they're planning a free speech defence, which would be ludicrous under the circumstances. Trying to goad others into committing crimes on your behalf (like asking the Georgia election official to "find" 11,000 votes) is flagrantly illegal, and obviously not covered by the First Amendment.

Sometimes if you step on enough rakes, one will hit you in the face, and that's what seems to have finally happened to Trump and co. here.

[lazzadesilva]

This numpty has always thought that he was above the law and has got away with many things that the common person would not have done. But the game is now up and Trump knows it. He has to face the music arranged by people, most of whom he hasn’t appointed, doesn’t know and doesn’t like. So now the arrogant Trump has become a sooky sooky la la type whinging and whining about the situation that he has brought on himself. However he is still entitled to a fair trial and legal process as much as can be provided to someone of his stature. It will be very interesting to see what happens.

[David]

This article makes the point that, even before any of the cases are heard, Trump may already be in contempt of court by writing social media posts calling the judge corrupt:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/16/us/politics/trump-chutkan-2020-election-truth-social.html

The likelihood that they won’t get him on that suggests that he’s not the subject of a witch hunt and, if anything, being treated with kid gloves. Trump certainly seems to believe it’s one rule for him and one for everyone else, and unfortunately the American justice system hasn’t done much so far to suggest otherwise.

[Magpietothemax]

[What'sinaname]

[stui magpie]

Interesting article. https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/sick-of-trump-surviving-every-new-outrage-blame-bill-clinton-20230816-p5dwzj.html

Premise is, Bill Clinton lowered the bar on what's acceptable as POTUS and Trump is following the playbook.

[Magpietothemax]

[Magpietothemax]

[What'sinaname]

[doriswilgus]

Wow,you speak for every court in the world now.😳Such confidence,one would almost say hubris.Whatever happens your man is going down,and there’s nothing you can do to save him.