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David 
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I'm not sure if anyone has been following this, but this is arguably the most disappointing thing Turnbull has done yet: first, caving into the loony right and agreeing to an enquiry into a program aimed at helping LGBTI schoolchildren; secondly, refusing to censure George Christensen for likening this program to grooming (!).
Hell, even Tony Abbott slapped down a much more senior party figure in Cory Bernardi for warning that same-sex marriage would lead to legalised bestiality. Why won't Turnbull do the same? If he had guts, he would have reined in this garbage by now.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/26/malcolm-turnbull-urges-calm-heads-over-safe-schools-lgbti-program
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David
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Wokko 
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“I didn’t think people would have such an issue with their children being taught acceptance and tolerance,” she said. “The extent to which the hard right will go to perpetuate their views, and frankly, their prejudice, is a sight to behold.”
How about showing some Tolerance of THEIR views Senator Wong? I haven't seen the material, so wont comment on that but the progressive teeth gnashing whenever someone doesn't accept their pet project views is pretty off putting. |
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David
to wish impossible things
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Just watched this episode of Q&A, in which this topic was discussed at length. It's here below if you want to check it out:
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/qanda/NC1603H005S00
Kerryn Phelps is the only one on that panel who really nails explaining the importance of that program and why the calls for a review are so frivolous and harmful.
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Culprit 
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| The born to rule mob spend over $200 million on the religious programs in school. Whereas this program is around 10 million. Neither should be allowed in my view. |
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
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The conspiracy goes that the religious right are trying to muddy the waters with alarmist half truths and misinformation about what exactly the safe school program provides as part of an attempt to try and thawrt the plebiscite on same sex marriage.
We see this same type of thing when it comes to issues like assisted dying.
Honestly just like that issue, gay marriage and this the safe school program the majority of sensible compassionate Australians would support it and get sick of the sideshow that these fools always provide to push there personal religious agendas.
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Dave The Man 
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Mr Turball who did nothing about Gay Marriage.
Why listen to that Tool
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Wokko
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Safe Schools activist Roz Ward raises ‘red flag’
| Quote: | The architect behind a contentious sexual diversity program set to become mandatory across all Victorian schools is an outspoken hard-left warrior who has publicly denounced Immigration Minister Peter Dutton as a “sexist prick”.
Safe Schools Coalition Victoria co-founder Roz Ward has also conceded the Safe Schools Coalition program is part of a broader Marxist strategy to change society.
Ms Ward is a La Trobe University academic who moonlights as a writer for Red Flag, the publication of the Socialist Alternative, a Trotskyite self-described Marxist organisation that has become a dominant force among university radicals and the broad-left activist movement.
Ms Ward’s recent contributions include an article published in January, titled “Sexist text messages are the least of Peter Dutton’s crimes”, in which she accuses the minister of being responsible for instances of sexual abuse being experienced by refugees at the Nauru processing centre. |
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/safe-schools-activist-roz-ward-raises-red-flag/news-story/42208731b0e4705aa0d2e6aaa8584e3e?login=1 (paywalled).
I only quoted a paragraph, not sure if I'm allowed to post the whole article on here or not. Thing is, and it's no surprise to me at all that there IS a hard left social engineer behind this program after all. No surprise to me, those types have been taking over education departments for decades and pushing progressive ideology on children. Just another instance of it I guess. Get rid of all these ideological programs and get back to TEACHING children instead of trying to brainwash them. |
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regan is true fullback
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how does it happen
You're studying law, or being a bore, you can feel it coming on around four...
A rich kid invites you to his mansion, yacht, sheep station, casino and you're hooked...
It may take you two lifetimes to get a fraction as much as the rich kid got the moment he was born...
You have joined the conservative army. You will devote your life to making sure that rich kid pays no taxes...
you defend the indefensible...
like this:
| Quote: | | Bolt hired by Sky News Australia to report on Royal Commission in Rome Age Melbourne 1.3.16 |
| Quote: | Mr Bolt has frequently authored columns defending Cardinal Pell, calling the royal commission a "witch hunt".
"Cardinal George Pell is the victim of one of the most vicious witch hunts to disgrace this country. It is shameful. Disgusting. Frightening," he wrote in his February 18 column.
"People pretending to be moral have competed with each other to slime Pell as the defender of paedophiles, if not a paedophile himself. |
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regan is true fullback
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How does it happen?
You're harvesting figs, or feeding the pigs, you sure want something big...
Suddenly a bunch of blokes with more money than you've ever seen in your life appear in big silver planes. they promise you more stuff than you've ever seen in your life once they return...so you wait...
A conservative lifestyle needs a big dose of unreality
And the best unreality is...
the John Frum Cult, the Liberal Party of Vanuatu. |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| David wrote: | Just watched this episode of Q&A, in which this topic was discussed at length. It's here below if you want to check it out:
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/qanda/NC1603H005S00
Kerryn Phelps is the only one on that panel who really nails explaining the importance of that program and why the calls for a review are so frivolous and harmful. |
I watched Q&A last night. To be fair I was knackered and half cut, but a lot of the arguments for the review made sense.
Bullying is bad. No arguments.
Kids can be pricks to each other. Fact.
Some of the supposed links the material references are apparently dodgy and not what you want your lid accessing.
GLBTI kids make up a poofteenth (no pun intended) of the population, so do we really need a program specially for one minority group when there's plenty of others?
So how bout we provide teachers with some education and let them deal with it and stop trying to practice social engineering on kids.
Oh, for reference, scrap the school chaplains program while you're at it.
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David
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Considering that the term 'LGBTI' includes bisexual as well as gay, lesbian and transsexual kids, that figure could be as high as 5-10%. And yes, this is a group that faces specific challenges (and it's not just relevant to them; it's also relevant to families, friends and peers of LGBTI people). Why wouldn't you want to give teachers the resources to handle that?
As you've seen the show, you'll recall Phelps and others pointing out that this is a resource, not a curriculum. Kids at school aren't necessarily sitting down for a one hour class every Wednesday on how to treat gay people nicely; teachers at the schools that have decidee to take on this program are selecting what they feel is relevant and useful to students and incorporating that where they see fit. So it's nothing like, say, the optional Special Religious Education classes that were still running in Victoria until recently.
As for the links provided by the program (but not in any sense incorporated within it), these are perfectly legitimate resources that are no more sexually explicit than an average edition of Dolly magazine. We can't suddenly pretend that junior high-schoolers are not thinking about these issues or in need of sex education that is relevant to them. I haven't visited this 'under18' website, but it sounds perfectly reasonable going on what I've heard from both its advocates and its detractors. Chest-binding might seem shocking if you're totally ignorant about trans issues (as Shelton and several audience members proved themselves to be last night), but that's exactly why this kind of material is important: to the kids affected by these issues, these are very real concerns.
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stui magpie
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If you read my post you'd see I said to give teachers some education AKA resources to deal with this, along with all other bullying issues.
Why should one minority of 5% get a specific program for them when there's plenty of reasons kids get bullied?
Not saying it's a bad program or it should be scrapped, but neither are the Libs atm, they're just saying it should be reviewed, and I agree FWIW
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David
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Well actually a number of Liberals are saying it should be scrapped, and that's the main reason this review is happening.
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