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swoop42 
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Correction Oxley has already been drafted on to our senior list.
So at present to be able to use pick 5 and 30 we'll need to add Gault and Frost to the rookie list again or get delisting.
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Pies4shaw 
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Swoop - I set it out, player by player in the OP. Like jackcass says, Oxley was drafted in 2013. He has been a senior-list player since then, not elevated. For avoidance of doubt, he was drafted at the National Draft in 2013 with pick 92.
There are presently 38 players on the (permanent) senior list, allowing for retirements, delistings, trades in and trades out. |
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Pies4shaw
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| ... So, we have two live picks - at least - and 3 if we don't draft Frost onto the senior list. |
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Tannin 
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Can anyone see us really using just the two picks? Surely we will be delisting one more player ..... but who? Or, more likely, we will do a last-minute trade before the close of trade week on Friday afternoon, selling off a senior-list player somewhere. What's the point of having Pick 48 if we are not going to use it?
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Pies4shaw
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^^^ Ah, hah! Eureka. Etc etc.
There - in a nutshell - is the very reason I started the thread: | Pies4shaw wrote: |
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At present, Clarke has been delisted, Ball, Lynch and Maxy have retired and Beams and H have been turned into "real footballers who want to play for Collingwood". Thus, 39 - 6 = 33. Add Greenwood, Crisp and Varcoe and Collingwood has 36 senior-listed players.
IF Collingwood wants to elevate Frost to the senior list, that will make 37 players. Moore makes 38.
Assuming there are no delistings, that suggests that Collingwood have only 2 further (that is, in addition to Moore and Frost) picks in the draft.
Yet Collingwood has "live" picks 5, 30 and 48 (plus the pick for Moore and a couple of late picks if Frost is to be permanently elevated).
That raises the question whether there could be any further delistings. Taking into account contract status, does anyone have any sensible contributions about what might happen there? Ramsay struggled to get a senior opportunity but when he did, late in the year, he showed enough to suggest that he would be retained. There are some other marginal players but I believe them to be contracted.
Thoughts? |
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AN_Inkling
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| Tannin wrote: | | Can anyone see us really using just the two picks? Surely we will be delisting one more player ..... but who? Or, more likely, we will do a last-minute trade before the close of trade week on Friday afternoon, selling off a senior-list player somewhere. What's the point of having Pick 48 if we are not going to use it? |
Well, trading is no longer an option. The trade period closed at 2pm today. So it's either delist a player to use pick 48 or keep Frost on the rookie list.
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Pies4shaw
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I guess we'll know about Frost on 31 October? The AFL's (updated) key dates entry states, amongst other things:
"Friday October 31, by 2pm - List lodgement (1); Rookie promotion to primary list; Retained second and third-year rookies; Scholarship players; Alternate talent player nominations, Total player payment (TPP) estimates."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-26/key-trade-draft-and-free-agency-dates
It looks to me like he has to be on one or other of the two bolded elements of that list lodgement? |
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swoop42
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | Swoop - I set it out, player by player in the OP. Like jackcass says, Oxley was drafted in 2013. He has been a senior-list player since then, not elevated. For avoidance of doubt, he was drafted at the National Draft in 2013 with pick 92.
There are presently 38 players on the (permanent) senior list, allowing for retirements, delistings, trades in and trades out. |
I have it at 37 permanent senior list placements and 2 rookie upgrades in Frost and Gault.
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Tannin
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | Can anyone see us really using just the two picks? Surely we will be delisting one more player ..... but who? Or, more likely, we will do a last-minute trade before the close of trade week on Friday afternoon, selling off a senior-list player somewhere. What's the point of having Pick 48 if we are not going to use it? |
Well, trading is no longer an option. The trade period closed at 2pm today. So it's either delist a player to use pick 48 or keep Frost on the rookie list. |
Ahh, I was thinking it was 2PM on Friday.
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| swoop42 wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | Swoop - I set it out, player by player in the OP. Like jackcass says, Oxley was drafted in 2013. He has been a senior-list player since then, not elevated. For avoidance of doubt, he was drafted at the National Draft in 2013 with pick 92.
There are presently 38 players on the (permanent) senior list, allowing for retirements, delistings, trades in and trades out. |
I have it at 37 permanent senior list placements and 2 rookie upgrades in Frost and Gault. |
Yes that's right there are 37 permanent senior list players at the moment, including the 3 trades and Darcy Moore.
We must take a minimum of 3 players in the draft, so we will use 5, 9 (Moore), and 30.
That will make 39 players and the extra spot can be used to upgrade Frost.
Gault could be upgraded (if good enough) at the start of the season with Scharenberg on the LTI list. |
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Pies4shaw
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| swoop42 wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | Swoop - I set it out, player by player in the OP. Like jackcass says, Oxley was drafted in 2013. He has been a senior-list player since then, not elevated. For avoidance of doubt, he was drafted at the National Draft in 2013 with pick 92.
There are presently 38 players on the (permanent) senior list, allowing for retirements, delistings, trades in and trades out. |
I have it at 37 permanent senior list placements and 2 rookie upgrades in Frost and Gault. |
I think 37 permanent senior list placements is right - my reference to 38 included Moore (who must be drafted, of course) and also assumed that Frost would be drafted this year to the senior list permanently, thereby leaving - at present - only 2 "spots" but 3 live picks, hence the underlying question: will we upgrade Frost permanently or delist someone else to give ourselves enough space to use all 3 of picks 5, 30 and 48. Gault's a bit irrelevant, isn't he - I think he's only been on the rookie list for one year (drafted 2011, delisted after 2013 and taken in the 2013 rookie draft)?
Putting Gault aside, do we agree that we have 36 permanent senior-listed players, plus Moore (who we must draft), plus - possibly - Frost? |
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Pies4shaw
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| 4everpies wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | Swoop - I set it out, player by player in the OP. Like jackcass says, Oxley was drafted in 2013. He has been a senior-list player since then, not elevated. For avoidance of doubt, he was drafted at the National Draft in 2013 with pick 92.
There are presently 38 players on the (permanent) senior list, allowing for retirements, delistings, trades in and trades out. |
I have it at 37 permanent senior list placements and 2 rookie upgrades in Frost and Gault. |
Yes that's right there are 37 permanent senior list players at the moment, including the 3 trades and Darcy Moore.
We must take a minimum of 3 players in the draft, so we will use 5, 9 (Moore), and 30.
That will make 39 players and the extra spot can be used to upgrade Frost.
Gault could be upgraded (if good enough) at the start of the season with Scharenberg on the LTI list. |
But isn't that the nub of the issue - other Clubs have been trading around, eg, picks 47 and 49, and swapping players back and forth for minor improvements in their drafting positions, yet we have pick 48 and - as things stand - might not use it? That can't be what they intend, can it? |
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4everpies
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^I think that they are probably OK with the list and maybe they don't think that a young player at pick 48 will be any better than what we have.
There is still plenty of time to delist players if they need to anyway. I can't believe the draft is about 6 weeks away. |
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Domesticated_Ape 
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I reckon Jack Frost would be the sort of guy who'd be open to staying on the rookie list and being upgraded for Schrenberg preseason. As long as he still gets a decent contract.
Are there specific rules about how much rookies can be paid or how long a contract they're allowed to sign? He certainly deserves whatever payrise he was going to get if fully promoted IMO. |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | Swoop - I set it out, player by player in the OP. Like jackcass says, Oxley was drafted in 2013. He has been a senior-list player since then, not elevated. For avoidance of doubt, he was drafted at the National Draft in 2013 with pick 92.
There are presently 38 players on the (permanent) senior list, allowing for retirements, delistings, trades in and trades out. |
I have it at 37 permanent senior list placements and 2 rookie upgrades in Frost and Gault. |
I think 37 permanent senior list placements is right - my reference to 38 included Moore (who must be drafted, of course) and also assumed that Frost would be drafted this year to the senior list permanently, thereby leaving - at present - only 2 "spots" but 3 live picks, hence the underlying question: will we upgrade Frost permanently or delist someone else to give ourselves enough space to use all 3 of picks 5, 30 and 48. Gault's a bit irrelevant, isn't he - I think he's only been on the rookie list for one year (drafted 2011, delisted after 2013 and taken in the 2013 rookie draft)?
Putting Gault aside, do we agree that we have 36 permanent senior-listed players, plus Moore (who we must draft), plus - possibly - Frost? |
No it's 37 including Moore. If we upgrade Frost then it's 38 and we'll only have two "live" selections" at pick 5 and 30. If we return Frost to the rookie list then upgrade him for Scharenberg before round 1 then we can use pick 48 in the draft. LOL.
I believe this to be correct.
1. Fasolo
2. Dwyer
3. Macaffer
4. Grundy
5. Goldsack
6. Kennedy
7. Pendlebury
8. Blair
9. Adams
10. Young
11. Witts
12. Brown
13. White
14. Elliott
15. Reid
16. Sidebottom
17. Keeffe
18. Thomas
19. Williams
20. Armstrong
21. Sinclair
22. Broomhead
23. Ramsay
24. Cloke
25. Karnezis
26. Tooevy
27. Scharenberg
28. Swan
29. Freeman
30. Seedsman
31. Langdon
32. Oxley
33. Marsh
34. Greenwood
35. Varcoe
36. Crisp
37. Moore
38. Frost –rookie upgrade
39. Gault-rookie upgrade
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