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maybe they should be charged for letting it happen. i guess id make a lousy soldier, because i could not stay quiet
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^ I think there's absolutely grounds for legal consequences for being silent accessories to (or helping cover up) the crimes. But obviously the main culprit is the one who committed them.
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stui magpie 
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| David wrote: | | For those keeping track, how many witnesses to Roberts-Smith committing or threatening to commit war crimes are we up to now? These killings seem to be a hell of a lot better documented than most murders that actually get successfully prosecuted. |
Refresh my memory, wasn't he found not guilty of these allegations in criminal proceedings or is that still ongoing?
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David
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stui magpie
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Good article, cheers.
Looks like this defamation case may well be a massive own goal for BRS
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David
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David
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Skids 
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| the guardian wrote: |
The trial shone a glaring, often unflattering light, on the usually arcane world of Australia’s Special Air Service, revealing a troubled institution, factionalised and fractious, and deeply riven by internecine fighting over decorations and medals: in thrall, on some evidence, to a “warrior culture” steeped in violence.
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Gee, who'd have thought, an elite military division engaging in violence 
My old man was in the first SAS regiment out of Swanbourne and I've worked with a few blokes who also served. They're a special type of person... they need to be, it's war, not rainbows and unicorns.
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Pies4shaw 
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| I trust your father didn’t deliberately kill unarmed civilians - that’s one of the issues at the core of this trial. |
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watt price tully 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | I trust your father didn’t deliberately kill unarmed civilians - that’s one of the issues at the core of this trial. |
And that is the point.
Then again I loved this from “The Shovel”
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2022/02/24/how-to-restore-reputation-defamation-ben-roberts-smith/
One supposes apart from being a certain type of Alpha Male, being a psychopath might form part of the key selection criteria for the SAS. As Skids sort of points out you can’t have any doubts.
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Skids
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That would be alleged I presume P4S?
And, no, not to my knowledge. They did have to do some pretty gruesome things which I'm not in a position to be able to share. Staying alive in a hostile environment is something one would need to endure to fully comprehend.
The Chinese must snicker at the way our military force is being undermined by the bleeding heart brigade.
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| Skids wrote: | That would be alleged I presume P4S?
And, no, not to my knowledge. They did have to do some pretty gruesome things which I'm not in a position to be able to share. Staying alive in a hostile environment is something one would need to endure to fully comprehend.
The Chinese must snicker at the way our military force is being undermined by the bleeding heart brigade. |
Mate it’s not the bleeding heart brigade, that utterly misreads the situation. The evidence is coming from other SAS soldiers not social workers for goodness sake. I’m sure tyrannies and authoritarian rulers and governments don’t have any qualms and may well snigger; who cares. It makes us stronger by shining a light on possible wrongdoing. The Brereton report is very important. Weakness is when you don’t confront wrongdoing especially if it is murder not lawful killing.
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David
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^ Agreed 100%. When even a hardened right-wing culture warrior like Andrew Hastie is expressing disgust over what he said he witnessed, I think you'd have to have your head in the sand to think there's nothing to see here.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/ben-roberts-smith-in-alternate-universe-federal-mp-andrew-hastie-tells-court/0bgzgrv54
Anyway, "he didn't do it, but if he did it would have been okay because that's just how war is" isn't exactly the strongest defence. Though, having said that, so much of wartime brutality ends up getting whitewashed by government redactions, organised cover-ups and a wider culture of denial that I almost wish people like Roberts-Smith would use that defence, so at least there could be no public illusions about what goes on over there. Of course the reason they don't – and seemingly go to such extents to cover up what they're alleged to have done – is that the law is not nearly so forgiving of atrocity.
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| Skids wrote: | That would be alleged I presume P4S?
And, no, not to my knowledge. They did have to do some pretty gruesome things which I'm not in a position to be able to share. Staying alive in a hostile environment is something one would need to endure to fully comprehend.
The Chinese must snicker at the way our military force is being undermined by the bleeding heart brigade. |
It isn't the "bleeding heart brigade" - one is not permitted to kill unarmed civilians deliberately. That is a war crime. Everyone understands that difficult things need to be done - but the things that have been said in evidence in this trial have been quite beyond belief. |
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Skids
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Agreed, but there have been two totally different stories.
I was only a kid when Dad left the regiment, I can still remember his nightmares. I supoe I'm a bit defensive when it comes to criticism of these soldiers. Most who would try to walk in their shoes would fall at the first step.
I do hope the truth is what comes out of this.
Who Dares Wins.
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