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| slangman wrote: | “We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us.” - Winston Churchill
Be careful about passing judgment on actions during war from the comfort of your lounge room. |
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| David wrote: | Does "be careful" mean pass judgement after careful consideration, or squib it entirely?
Some of us are happy for wars to be carried out in their name but get squeamish and defensive if they have to look too closely at how the sausage is made. Others of us have moral principles and don’t see foreigners as scum to be exterminated at will every time a "rough man" wants to blow off a bit of steam. #&$% him and anyone who is an apologist for him. |
tell that to the jews
the scottish,
anyonw who has been invaded.
there are at least 2 opposing sides in every war, someone starts it, someone else must bow down or defend themselves,
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I'm not getting into any arguments with regards to this matter, but, the lynch mob must remember...
The army veteran is not charged with any criminal offences, and has maintained his innocence.
A joint investigation by the Office of the Special Investigator and Australian Federal Police is probing reports of war crimes by Australian soldiers in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016.
It follows the landmark Brereton Report, which in 2020 found "credible information" existed detailing alleged breaches of the rules of combat.
Senior media lawyer Justin Quill told ABC's The Drum last week that he didn't believe the Federal Court ruling would influence any criminal investigations.
He said the burden of proof Nine had to meet in its defence sat somewhere between "the normal civil standard and the criminal standard".
"Criminal charges might occur, but they won't occur as a result of — or because of — this judgement," he said.
"This judgement is a civil judgement, a civil decision only.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-05/ben-roberts-smith-defamation-full-judgement-released/102438484
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| think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | Does "be careful" mean pass judgement after careful consideration, or squib it entirely?
Some of us are happy for wars to be carried out in their name but get squeamish and defensive if they have to look too closely at how the sausage is made. Others of us have moral principles and don’t see foreigners as scum to be exterminated at will every time a "rough man" wants to blow off a bit of steam. #&$% him and anyone who is an apologist for him. |
tell that to the jews
the scottish,
anyonw who has been invaded.
there are at least 2 opposing sides in every war, someone starts it, someone else must bow down or defend themselves, |
Things happen in war that no sane person could ever understand.
All combatants have and will continue to do unspeakable acts.
What’s right and wrong in war is different to what is right and wrong in peacetime.
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| David wrote: | Does "be careful" mean pass judgement after careful consideration, or squib it entirely?
Some of us are happy for wars to be carried out in their name but get squeamish and defensive if they have to look too closely at how the sausage is made. Others of us have moral principles and don’t see foreigners as scum to be exterminated at will every time a "rough man" wants to blow off a bit of steam. #&$% him and anyone who is an apologist for him. |
Your moral principles are not what keeps us safe at night. Just saying’.
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watt price tully 
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Those defending this liar and murderer need to have a good hard look.
His fellow soldiers in the SAS didn’t lie and didn’t murder. Those are the one’s we should hold in the highest regards. This scumbag was spying and trying to pressure witnesses to lie, making threats to them. He deserves nothing but contempt. His fellow soldiers deserve the highest of accolades not just for the awful work they had to do but for their bravery for truth telling under the most adverse of conditions.
His fellow soldiers kept “us” safe at night whereas by his actions this lying murdering narcissistic SOB keeps us unsafe.
This is not something you turn a blind eye to or you condone lying and murder it’s as simple as that.
The Brereton report has highlighted the issues and this current federal government despite the stupid and expensive decision to back AUKUS is committed to implementing the report in full.
Kudos too to the brave journalists who had to endure 5 years of torment and harassment for honest reporting.
There is more to follow in this shameful part of our recent history.
The independent judge has described Ben Roberts-Smith as dishonest and unreliable as a witness. The judge has all the available information and witnesses and evidence.
Ben Roberts-Smith was the one who initiated the legal action of defamation. Early on he was offered a settlement by Nine media but the lying, murdering, narcissistic SOB turned it down. May he rot in hell for bringing such disrepute to the SAS soldiers and to the Australian Defence Forces.
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stui magpie 
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The only thing that bugs me, is if he is/was guilty, why would he initiate defammation proceedings knowing that any evidence would come out? Did he/they think they could bluff the media into settling?
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| stui magpie wrote: | | The only thing that bugs me, is if he is/was guilty, why would he initiate defammation proceedings knowing that any evidence would come out? Did he/they think they could bluff the media into settling? |
If you look in the pond and only see your own reflection and fall in love with that reflection then it’s hard to see other things I suppose.
I still have that image when talking about BRS of a tiny Governor General awarding this physical Giant of a man with his medal 😂
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stui magpie
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| slangman wrote: | .
All combatants have and will continue to do unspeakable acts.
What’s right and wrong in war is different to what is right and wrong in peacetime. |
Speaking of unspeakable acts, back in 2016 when ISIS was in fill swing, the Australian Signals Directorate disrupted their communications by Rickrolling them.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-05/australian-cyber-spies-disrupted-islamic-state-militants/102425324
That's gotta be close to a war crime, surely?
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| slangman wrote: | | David wrote: | Does "be careful" mean pass judgement after careful consideration, or squib it entirely?
Some of us are happy for wars to be carried out in their name but get squeamish and defensive if they have to look too closely at how the sausage is made. Others of us have moral principles and don’t see foreigners as scum to be exterminated at will every time a "rough man" wants to blow off a bit of steam. #&$% him and anyone who is an apologist for him. |
Your moral principles are not what keeps us safe at night. Just saying’. |
Yeah, but invading Afghanistan and sticking around there for twenty years before handing it back to the Taliban was? Turn it up mate.
| slangman wrote: | Things happen in war that no sane person could ever understand.
All combatants have and will continue to do unspeakable acts.
What’s right and wrong in war is different to what is right and wrong in peacetime. |
Even if we're to accept that's true, do you accept that anything is wrong in war? Because that seems to be the point in question here: whether the fact that a war is being fought means you get to empty a clip into an unarmed prisoner just because you feel like it. Do you draw the line anywhere?
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Unless you have been to war you will never understand. Easy to sit behind the safety created by others making moral judgments about their conduct in situations that you pray you never have to witness or experience.
Btw, I’m not defending BRS but I do recognise that he has never been court martialed, but your moral virtue signaling regarding a situation that you have never experienced is short sighted and lacking in reality.
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I imagine that the rules of combat are not followed by any of the participants of war. It is not far fetched to imagine that Afghan soldiers would disguise themselves as peasants, farmers and women to gain a tactical advantage.
Talk to a Vietnam vet, they will have stories about the Vietcong and the dirty tactics they used to ambush Aussie/US soldiers.
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stui magpie
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The difference is, we're supposed to be the good guys.
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watt price tully
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| Bucks5 wrote: | I imagine that the rules of combat are not followed by any of the participants of war. It is not far fetched to imagine that Afghan soldiers would disguise themselves as peasants, farmers and women to gain a tactical advantage.
Talk to a Vietnam vet, they will have stories about the Vietcong and the dirty tactics they used to ambush Aussie/US soldiers. |
I know, I know and they never thanked us enough for invading their country and were utterly ungrateful for the napalm and indiscriminate use of agent orange; ungrateful bastards.
The liars and murderers amongst the SAS are very few indeed. Only one or two acted like Ben Roberts-Smith did.
The next time we invade a country we need to put the politicians children in the front line.
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