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Pies4shaw Leo

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:48 pm
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This looks like one to watch closely:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/peter-dutton-office-fast-tracked-grant-proposal-after-donation/13126496
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:24 pm
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Pies4shaw wrote:
This looks like one to watch closely:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-10/peter-dutton-office-fast-tracked-grant-proposal-after-donation/13126496


This Morrison Goverment has no limits to lack of accountability and perpetuating corruption. There is such a long list. This amongst many others. So many to choose from so little time.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:00 am
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Obviously not enough happening in the world so the ABC is going through every cent this government has given anyone to find a story.

Wonder if they’ll do the same for all governments?

Maybe the ABC is just upset they got it so cheaply, unions donate millions every year to the ALP in the hope they’ll one day be back in government and they’ll call it in. Just look at Andrews in Victoria.

It’s really hard to understand what everyone gets so upset by given it’s rife in politics yet you only want to focus on one party doing it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:54 am
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^Do you even even know why you're such a passionate fan of the Glibs, Eddie? You seem to have team colours which excite you, but you don't seem have an actual position on anything. That post was like something straight out of the mouth of an old uncle circa 1976.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:24 am
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Massive corruption exposed: $880,000 of YOUR money handed over in exchange for a $1500 bribe. And you blame the media reporting it!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:13 am
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Massive corruption exposed: $880,000 of YOUR money handed over in exchange for a $1500 bribe. And you blame the media reporting it!


Mate as you know that's just the start. The sports rorts hasn't finished yet. The Great Barrier Reef funding with Josh forking over money without tender to fossil fuel interests is spectacular not only in in the breathtaking arrogance but bypassing experts such as the CSIRO and other Marine bodies. THis is just the beginning.

Dutton is dead man walking

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:37 am
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eddiesmith wrote:
Obviously not enough happening in the world so the ABC is going through every cent this government has given anyone to find a story.

Wonder if they’ll do the same for all governments?

Maybe the ABC is just upset they got it so cheaply, unions donate millions every year to the ALP in the hope they’ll one day be back in government and they’ll call it in. Just look at Andrews in Victoria.

It’s really hard to understand what everyone gets so upset by given it’s rife in politics yet you only want to focus on one party doing it.


Some of us actually support parties that want to see the whole rotten political donation system done away with, so it’s not good enough to say "both sides do it". Stuff like this is a major scandal and it should be – it’s political corruption 101.

Dutton in particular is a typical "tough on crime" hypocrite: it’s jackboots for the common citizen and powerless foreigners, but impunity for him and his mates behind closed doors. There’s no cognitive dissonance here; his only philosophy is power.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:50 am
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In the same article.

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Mr Dutton agreed to the department seeking a costing for the association's proposal from the Finance Department on December 11, 2018.

It was assessed by the Department of Industry in February 2019.

The Home Affairs Department's briefing to Mr Dutton says that the Business Grants Hub assessed the application "with satisfactory scores against each of the three merit criteria" and recommended that the funding be approved. They noted that the application "represents value for money and a proper use of Commonwealth resources".

On March 14, 2019, Mr Dutton approved the funding grant, following the advice from his department.


So while there is definite grounds for a perceived conflict of interest, in the end it was approved based on advice from those who assess them.

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The CEO of the association, Dominique Lamb, told 7.30 in an interview that the grant funding was able to deliver the Protecting Crowded Places program, an educational initiative to assist retailers in responding to armed offender incidents, reaching a total of more than 48,000 retail workers.


Seems like reasonable value for money.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:09 am
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Massive corruption exposed: $880,000 of YOUR money handed over in exchange for a $1500 bribe. And you blame the media reporting it!


Compared to the billions of dollars the Victorian government has paid out to thank the Unions for their contributions to the Labor party and getting Dan elected it’s nothing!

Unless you’re going to ban political contributions, I’m sure you’ll find a lot of money given to people who’ve donated to a political party on both sides.

But it just gives you all something else to whinge about because the majority of Australians don’t agree with your views.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:15 am
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David wrote:
eddiesmith wrote:
It’s really hard to understand what everyone gets so upset by given it’s rife in politics yet you only want to focus on one party doing it.


it’s not good enough to say "both sides do it". Stuff like this is a major scandal and it should be – it’s political corruption 101.


David, please don't fall for the "both sides do it" lie. Yes, lie.

One side does almost all of it. Dutton's side.

Is there corruption on the Labor side? Sure there is. A pitifully small amount. Round figures, it is ten times less common and for ten times smaller amounts. And most of the bad stuff the Labor side does is inward-looking (faction vs faction and similar) which is very often no skin off your nose or mine. Compare with the other mob, where most of the corruption is squarely aimed at dudding the taxpayer - i.e., you.

Pretending that "both sides do it" when more than 90% of the offenders are Liberal-Nationals or fellow travellers like Palmer is unacceptable.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:17 am
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Eddie, if you are going to make stuff up, at least invent a vaguely plausible-sounding lie. That one was laughably daft.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:23 am
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Eddie, if you are going to make stuff up, at least invent a vaguely plausible-sounding lie. That one was laughably daft.


Really? Are you going to claim unions don’t donate millions to the Labor party or that the Andrew’s government doesn’t look after them?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:44 am
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... the majority of Australians don’t agree with your views.

You do know that when you're on your own you're about 12,500,000 short of a majority, don't you? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:57 am
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Eddie, educate yourself. Read some basic history.

The Labor party exists because of and for unions. In a very real sense, it is unions. Years ago, working men and women joined unions to protect themselves and when that proved not to be enough, they got together and formed a political party to look after ordinary working people, which they called the Labor Party. It still exists.

The Labor Party was founded to enact policies favourable to working people. That is its job, FFS. That is what is it there for. (If you don't like working people, you are free to vote for the other party of your choice.)

Organised groups of working people called "trade unions" founded a political party to advance and defend their interests, and they continue to support their party, which only exists because of them and is required by both rules and long-established custom to help working people.

Complaining about the Labor Party being worker-friendly is like complaining about a cook preparing meals.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:34 pm
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^

Yep, Labor is totally entwined with the Unions, both historically and within it's governance now and moving forward

Their problem, veering off topic while we're talking about labor, is that as Union membership and relevance has steadily declined, so has Labor's share of the Primary Vote certainly federally anyway. Positioning themselves as "The Worker's party" doesn't fly anymore, they need more.

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