FBI can Access your Data/Internet History without a Warrant

Dave The Man · Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 1:40 pm

What a Massive Abuse of Power this will be

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/house-to-vote-on-whether-the-fbi-can-access-internet-history-without-a-warrant-act-now-to-save-internet-privacy/

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

This only applies to American citizens, I presume, although I'm sure Peter Dutton is doing his best to get in on this action. But yes, I hope it gets voted down. It was a travesty that it managed to get up in the Senate, particularly when a number of Republicans were willing to vote it down. Big fail by Bernie Sanders in not turning up to the vote.

Dave The Man · Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 2:43 pm

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

I honestly have no idea. Democrats have a big majority in the House, and did generally vote against it in the Senate at about a 4:1 ratio (and it seems there's no small amount of opposition among more libertarian-aligned Republicans, too). But I guess we'll see what transpires; I must confess that I haven't been following this one very closely.

K · Joined: 09 Sep 2011

What about ASIO, etc., here? What powers do they have?

stui magpie · Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 7:17 pm

^

Check your phone in about 10 minutes, they'll tell you

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

Wokko · Come and take it. Joined: 04 Oct 2005

Trump is telling GoP in the house to shitcan the surveillance bills.

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/499751-house-fisa-bill-suddenly-on-life-support

5150 · Joined: 31 Aug 2005

I don’t mind this, if it catches Terry Wrists, PD Files and Dealers.
All they will find on mine is Nicks, Red Tube, menu log and the dry cleaners...
In no particular order...

roar · Joined: 01 Sep 2004

^^ So, you're ok with it until they decide one of your favourite activities is no longer legal.

5150 · Joined: 31 Aug 2005

Pretty much, my activities are fine (according to me!) and legal, I can’t see my front door kicked in while surfing the Net naked with a whopper in one and a a whopper in the other.

roar · Joined: 01 Sep 2004

No offence but I really am not a fan of the "bugger you, Jack, I'm alright" approach to life.

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

Agree with that, Roar. For me, it seems ludicrous to be blasé about this stuff when it's literally against the law now in many contexts to hold the government accountable or expose corruption. We really want to give them more power to police that stuff?

5150 · Joined: 31 Aug 2005

Ok, serious hat on now. Seems the fun police are here.
Bugger you if you don’t like my opinion of life, Not sure what’s worse, being told how to think or being monitored by those who want to know what you think!
You’d be pretty naive to think that it’s not already happening whether it’s legal or not. I’m happy to be in the I’m all right camp as long as I’m not being a dickhead- here’s my browser history...

Not sure how you are going to A) find out about it B) do anything about it.
I’d be inclined to think national security trumps any government offical even the PM.

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

For me, it's just about accountability. Of course it's probably inevitable that corners will be cut here and there at ASIO HQ, but laws can at least act as a form of protection and pushback, as well as a guideline as to what relationship between government and the public is expected. Maybe not a perfect one, but at least it's something. And ultimately, I think we should have a right to say this far is too far and that we don't necessarily consent to round-the-clock government surveillance. We do live in a democracy, after all!

(Sorry I can't think of anything funny to say. Still waiting for the coffee to kick in! I did think your "whopper" comment was amusing, for what it's worth.)