Hawthorn's version of the Do Better report

[Piesnchess]

[mgh3536]

Geez I hope graeme Wright isn’t dragged into this!!!

[stui magpie]

[Mr Miyagi]

Two players attempted suicide due to what happened. It’s that serious.

[maurs64]

So with Clarkson refuting these allegations, does that mean he believes the First Nations players are lying? Why would they? What is their motive? Money? Infamy? I think it's a mistake for him to refute them publicly. He should be "no comment" until they are proven - or not. Has Fagan also said he's innocent & shocked????

[Bruce Gonsalves]

You'll find Dayle Garlett will be brought up at some stage, big part of it.

[tbaker]

[Bucks5]

The pregnancy termination is inexcusable. However, it is normal for football clubs to encourage new recruits to move out of the family home and share house with a more experienced player to help fast track the development of their careers.

I am not convinced that asking the 3 players to move out of their homes was racially motivated.

[Mr Miyagi]

There’s a lot more in the report that hasn’t and won’t be made public that is apparently much worse. Two players attempted suicide because of what happened at the club (the details haven’t been disclosed publicly but are in the report).

It’s possible the abortion comment wasn’t meant literally, but a poor attempt at a joke (similar to how we tell players to get the snip or lock their missus up with a chastity belt around December so theyre not having babies during finals). Clarkson’s an angry little man and it’s hard to know when he’s joking or serious. But I doubt it going by the reactions of the players involved. Even if it was half a joke it’s still offensive. No apology was made at the time. Cyril quit in 2018 and it was always suspected there was more to it.

[Piesnchess]

The " Family Club" sure aint the family club, now. The shit has hit the fan.

[Mr Miyagi]

The stuff at West Coast and other clubs will surely come out in the next year. It better.

[Mr Miyagi]

It never ceases to amaze me at how much can go on at a club but so many people there are completely unaware of it. Players can go weeks without directly speaking with the coach and other players. Groups within groups within groups. I remember Ross Lyon saying he never went into the locker rooms and wouldn’t have a clue what they got up to there. Every club is a large corporation but when you’ve only got 42 employees who are your main focus it really shouldn’t be so hard to keep everyone connected throughout the week. It’s possible Hodge, Mitchell, Burgoyne et al had no idea — but gee, it stretches credibility doesn’t it.

[Born to Pie]

Yeah put it all down people, make your judgement now, why wait! What happened to the presumption of innocence? "It used to be fashion amongst men that when a charge was made, proof was brought forward to establish it, and if no proof was found to exist, the charge was dropped." A. Lincoln 15/9/1858

Not now, we have the media interview Eddie Betts today, when did he play for Hawthorn? Anything he "knows" is hearsay!

There maybe a case to answer, but it is a ruling of court which confirms that the prosecution's case against an accused person is not baseless.

[Mr Miyagi]

Have you read the report? There’s a lot more that hasn’t been made public. From the shocked reactions of those who have, it ain’t pretty.

Hawthorn could have been proactive when Collingwood was getting torched, just straight up admitted they made mistakes too and want to do better. But they kept their mouths shut. It’s the players who were affected, two of whom attempted suicide, who forced Hawthorn to do their review. Collingwood’s Do Better was a lesson for all clubs, all AFL, but other clubs thought they wouldn’t have to look in the mirror. Well here we are. Again.

[Born to Pie]