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Daniel Capricorn



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:47 pm
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RudeBoy wrote:
David wrote:
I know a coach is obliged to put the best 22 on the park, and no player should feel like they're guaranteed a spot by virtue of their name, but this somehow just feels like an exercise in public humiliation now. It really doesn't sit well.


Pleeeaaassse! FFS, here is a guy who was dropped for poor form, went back to the VFL and played mostly ordinary football, was then brought back into the team when no-one else was available, but played very ordinary footy again, kicking one lousy point. If we want to win on monday, we needed to drop him, as we showed against the Lions, Cats and Dogs, that we are a much better team without Cloke. Whether it's his head, his back, his legs, or just wear and tear, he has all the hallmarks of a spent force. Get over it David. He's been dropped. It happens.


LOL - finally some common sense. +1 ^
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Daniel Capricorn



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:49 pm
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What'sinaname wrote:
jackcass wrote:
What'sinaname wrote:
It's the right decision, but what I am hating the way players are leaving under Buckley.


Has Cloke left the club?


yes he has.


I think his brain left him long ago, as with some people here Smile
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Daniel Capricorn



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:54 pm
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Big Dan wrote:
This was the "changes" that Buckley referred to. Low hanging fruit and a soft target?

Cloke's game wasn't that bad.
Did Cloke leak 7 goals from the goal square? No.
Did Cloke repeatedly give the ball up to a player on a worse position? No.
Did Cloke lay 2 tackles or less for the game? no (he laid 4, and was equal 6th for marks).

The players below all laid 2 tackles or less. Even worse when you consider that apart from Cox (due to his height), you'd expect all of these players to have harassed their opponent even more considering Port had the ball on a string. When Buckley craps on about "work rate" maybe these guys need a kick in the arse, and he needs to start looking in the mirror:

Matthew Goodyear
Alan Toovey
Adam Oxley
Jesse White
Travis Varcoe
Ben Sinclair
Jeremy Howe
Brayden Maynard
Ben Reid
Jack Frost
Mason Cox
Brodie Grundy


Let's address the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

What is his main job that he gets paid about 10 times the average annual wage for?

How many goals has he kicked in total out of 5 games played in the AFL this year?

BINGO!

Let's overlook the obvious and focus on conspiracy theories and all other b**lshit, shall we?
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What'sinaname Libra



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:26 pm
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Daniel wrote:
Big Dan wrote:
This was the "changes" that Buckley referred to. Low hanging fruit and a soft target?

Cloke's game wasn't that bad.
Did Cloke leak 7 goals from the goal square? No.
Did Cloke repeatedly give the ball up to a player on a worse position? No.
Did Cloke lay 2 tackles or less for the game? no (he laid 4, and was equal 6th for marks).

The players below all laid 2 tackles or less. Even worse when you consider that apart from Cox (due to his height), you'd expect all of these players to have harassed their opponent even more considering Port had the ball on a string. When Buckley craps on about "work rate" maybe these guys need a kick in the arse, and he needs to start looking in the mirror:

Matthew Goodyear
Alan Toovey
Adam Oxley
Jesse White
Travis Varcoe
Ben Sinclair
Jeremy Howe
Brayden Maynard
Ben Reid
Jack Frost
Mason Cox
Brodie Grundy


Let's address the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

What is his main job that he gets paid about 10 times the average annual wage for?

How many goals has he kicked in total out of 5 games played in the AFL this year?

BINGO!

Let's overlook the obvious and focus on conspiracy theories and all other b**lshit, shall we?


What about the backline that keeps leaking 100+ scores? They should all be dropped. Reid, Frost etc....all overpaid spuds.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:51 pm
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Well watching channel 7 news.
said
A heated exchange between bux and trav behind closed doors.
A trade at the end of the year is what is sort.
Said Hawthorn would love to have him.
Another flag player bites the dust.
Bux is a genius.

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What'sinaname Libra



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:58 pm
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Bully Bucks strikes again.
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CarringbushCigar Taurus



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:59 pm
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Exactly - this has nothing to do with Travis' form or him being best 22.

It's purely personal and another failure from our coach to get the best out of his best players week in week out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:59 pm
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thompsoc wrote:
Well watching channel 7 news.
said
A heated exchange between bux and trav behind closed doors.
A trade at the end of the year is what is sort.
Said Hawthorn would love to have him.
Another flag player bites the dust.
Bux is a genius.


He must go. But pretty much this is how its going at the pies... this morning on triple m Eddie... asked what he thought of Cloke being dropped... 1st question.. straight up said... 'I don't know anything about it..' yadda yadda...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:02 pm
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I suspect if for some reason Bucks was to be given the flick by seasons end... our boy Cloke would have a remarkable turn around of form under someone else - of course this is purely my own personal opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:06 pm
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote:
thompsoc wrote:
Well watching channel 7 news.
said
A heated exchange between bux and trav behind closed doors.
A trade at the end of the year is what is sort.
Said Hawthorn would love to have him.
Another flag player bites the dust.
Bux is a genius.


He must go. But pretty much this is how its going at the pies... this morning on triple m Eddie... asked what he thought of Cloke being dropped... 1st question.. straight up said... 'I don't know anything about it..' yadda yadda...


does it remind you of this


Sgt-Schultz2.jpg


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:08 pm
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https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/741191254256406528
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burnsy17 Virgo



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:19 pm
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Boo fking hoo Cloke!

Seriously, the guy has been shite for 18 months. Gets dropped twice. Has to protect his ego so he might as well crack the shites at the coach... Of course it's the coaches fault he can't get a kick.

He's a head case.

But let's blame Buckley.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:26 pm
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MagpieBat wrote:
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/741191254256406528


I get a blank/404 when I click on this - what's it say ?

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CarringbushCigar Taurus



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:26 pm
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burnsy17 wrote:
Boo fking hoo Cloke!

Seriously, the guy has been shite for 18 months. Gets dropped twice. Has to protect his ego so he might as well crack the shites at the coach... Of course it's the coaches fault he can't get a kick.

He's a head case.

But let's blame Buckley.


Sorry - please remind us what the actual job of the senior coach is ?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:27 pm
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Mugwump wrote:
[quote="MagpieBat"]https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/741191254256406528[/quote]

I get a blank/404 when I click on this - what's it say ?
You may be wondering if this is a person or a computer responding.
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