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| Who do you hope wins the US Election? |
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39% |
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| Biden |
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39% |
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| Don't Care |
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21% |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| watt price tully wrote: | | David wrote: |
This reflects something I've realised for a while about Trump's voter base – it's motivated primarily by resentment. ...... |
Well hello. Not just him but other loonies as well. What else drives rightwing conservative boys?
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What drives the loony lefties?
We all know Oedipus was into cunnilingus on his mother, his lesser known brother, Oedidick preferred fellating their father.
Messed up family, clearly Democrats. 
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David 
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Sound more like libertari... I mean, libertines.
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stui magpie
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The Aristocrats?
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Wokko 
Come and take it.
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David
to wish impossible things
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Hahahaha WTF
I've listened to comic impersonations of Biden and, I swear, the real thing is another step beyond. Also, I love that he can't seem to go a single week without attacking ordinary Democrat voters at his public events, just for asking polite and entirely reasonable questions. How could anyone have ever thought this guy could win a national election?
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David
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An interesting recap of what actually happened in Iowa last week:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/us/politics/iowa-democratic-caucuses.html
| Quote: | The widespread lack of faith in the Iowa results has shaken many Americans’ confidence in their electoral system. Mr. Trump has reveled in the meltdown. Democrats have proposed abolishing caucuses and ending Iowa’s time at the front of the presidential nominating calendar.
Even as party officials scramble to contain the fallout, the full extent of the problems in Iowa is still not known.
An analysis by The New York Times revealed inconsistencies in the reported data for at least one in six of the state’s precincts. Those errors occurred at every stage of the tabulation process: in recording votes, in calculating and awarding delegates, and in entering the data into the state party’s database. Hundreds of state delegate equivalents, the metric the party uses to determine delegates for the national convention, were at stake in these precincts.
The Iowa Democratic Party released a list of 92 precincts on Sunday that it said were flagged as problematic by three presidential candidates — Mr. Sanders; Pete Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Ind.; and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. That figure is far fewer than the number with inconsistencies captured in the Times review. The Associated Press said it was unable to declare a caucus winner.
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Just days before the caucuses, precinct leaders received their first instructions for downloading an app they were to use to record and send results.
The app was created by Shadow Inc., a company recommended to Iowa party officials by Democratic leaders in Nevada, who were working with it as well.
The chief executive of Shadow, Gerard Niemira, was a veteran of the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign, where he oversaw tech products like an app the campaign used to take advantage of the quirky math of caucuses and track results in real time.
Because of the delays in planning Iowa’s caucuses, Shadow personnel didn’t enter into a contract for the Iowa app until the fall of 2019, compressing an already tight timeline on a deal that paid relatively little — a bit more than $60,000 so far — for customized technology services.
In November, Iowa officials gathered in Des Moines with Harvard election security experts including Robby Mook, Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 campaign manager, to test processes involved in the caucuses. But the app wasn’t part of the exercise.
Still, Shadow developed an initial version of the app that month and began testing and updating it, according to a person involved in the effort. As the caucus date approached, more updates came, but the developers didn’t regard them as critical.
The weekend before the caucuses, officials from Shadow, the state party and the D.N.C. gathered to run final tests. They fed in false data to verify that the quality-control system would catch anything amiss. The app worked well, according to a person involved. But no evidence arose of a bug that would jumble a portion of the results on caucus night.
The Sunday before the caucuses, Mr. Price kept up a busy schedule. He taped an interview with Kasie Hunt of MSNBC in the early afternoon. He posed for a photo on the Fox News set with Donna Brazile, a former chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. In the evening, he was at a Super Bowl party with Senator Amy Klobuchar.
Yet in Polk County, where Democrats were preparing for 177 precinct caucuses, it had already been clear all week that the app had problems.
When precinct chairs reported issues, the state party referred them to a lone help-desk employee, who did not always respond to calls and emails.
Six hours before the caucuses were to start at 7 p.m. Monday, precinct leaders received a final email about the app with an ominous instruction: “If the app stalls/freezes/locks up: Close out of the app and log back in with your PIN. The app should save where you were. If it does not, please call in your results.”
Most precinct caucuses ran smoothly across the state. But when some precinct leaders tried to report the results, the app sometimes froze. Calls to the state party hotline sometimes languished on hold for five hours.
To relieve pressure on the state party, D.N.C. officials executed a contingency plan created for natural disasters or terror events: using a backup call center at the party’s headquarters on South Capitol Street in Washington, where about 40 people began taking calls.
By then, it was clear that a catastrophe was taking place at the Iowa Events Center, a venue for auto shows and state wrestling tournaments that was serving as caucus central.
The state party’s phones were jammed. Users on the website 4chan had publicly posted the election hotline number and encouraged one another to “clog the lines.” The party’s volunteer phone operators also had to deflect calls from television news reporters in search of caucus results that were hours overdue.
One floor below, representatives from the seven presidential campaigns competing in Iowa waited in a room with no windows, no food, no water and no information. They took turns trying to call state party officials in search of information.
On a conference call with the campaigns later that night, Mr. Price struggled to explain the information blackout. He said the problems stemmed from party officials having to collect three sets of data from all precincts for the first time.
“You always had to calculate these numbers, all we’re asking is that you report them for the first time,” Jeff Weaver, Mr. Sanders’s closest adviser, said he told Mr. Price on the call. “If you haven’t been calculating these numbers all along, it’s been a fraud for 100 years.”
Mr. Price ended the call.
As engineers scrambled to repair the app, panicked Iowa party leaders were making a choice. It was time, they decided, to abandon digital methods and rely on the old ways, gathering data over the phone and doing the math by hand — a decision that would open a whole new can of worms.
Each precinct leader had 36 separate figures to report, along with two separate six-digit verification numbers — and there were more than 1,700 precincts, including the satellites.
In the chaos, caucus results collected by phone operators were riddled with errors. Dozens of the volunteers returned over the next three days to crosscheck them and input results from caucus worksheets that came in by email or through the app. One was delivered days later by the Postal Service.
In the Times review of the data, at least 10 percent of precincts appeared to have improperly allocated their delegates, based on reported vote totals. In some cases, precincts awarded more delegates than they had to give; in others, they awarded fewer. More than two dozen precincts appeared to give delegates to candidates who did not qualify as viable under the caucus rules.
Given the slim lead Mr. Buttigieg now holds over Mr. Sanders in state delegate equivalents, a full accounting of these inconsistencies could alter the outcome. But without access to the precinct worksheets, it is difficult to determine whom the errors hurt or favored. |
That bolded section is pretty extraordinary. I know I'm not usually one for supporting kneejerk policy reactions to once-in-a-lifetime screw-ups, but reading all this it's hard to conclude anything other than that the caucuses, along with the arcane system built up around them, just have to go.
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pietillidie
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I was happy to see Bernie address irritation (including my own) at his use of the term 'democratic socialism', which I find unnecessary. He's on the ball, that's for sure.
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Wokko
Come and take it.
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David
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Nice meme, but surely even you don't believe that for a second.
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Wokko
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I think if the "Democratic Socialists" got everything they wanted then yeah that's exactly what would happen, same as it always does. But no, in the USA the President doesn't have the power to institute the policies that Bernie says he'll bring in and the Senate and Supreme Court also stand in the way of a Socialist take over. A bit like a school captain saying they'll end homework, it's a nice lie to tell an ignorant electorate.
As to why that always happens, the Government's only authority is firstly the consent of the governed and after that, force. When socialism starts to meet resistance (as it always does) the State turns violent and starts killing or arresting people. |
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David
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Sanders has always been a pacifist and reformist, and I see nothing in his personal or political record that would remotely suggest gulags or firing squads. But regardless, as you say, there's zero chance that anything like that would happen anyway with him in charge even if he were so inclined. He'll have an uphill battle just trying to bring America's healthcare system into the twenty-first century, increase taxes on the rich and raise the minimum wage; somehow I suspect executing enemies of the revolution might be a long way down the priority list. 
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| Wokko wrote: | | As to why that always happens, the Government's only authority is firstly the consent of the governed and after that, force. When any authoritarian system starts to meet resistance (as it always does) the State turns violent and starts killing or arresting people. |
When it comes to that dynamic, liberal-capitalist democracy well and truly has its own body count.
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Wokko
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I'd pay that, like try not paying taxes in liberal, open and free Australia or the USA and see what happens.
Voluntaryism and minimal Government would always be my first choice. |
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Wokko
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David
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Speaking of authoritarians...
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pietillidie
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More teen peer group memes copied and pasted by adults.
I see Bone Spurs has started getting his fan club ready for social services cuts. As night follows day.
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