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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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| David wrote: | BTW I've never bought the idea that people have kids to get the baby bonus. The things cost so bloody much that it's probably not worth it anyhow 
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Never underestimate the ability of some people to think short term mate. The same logic aplies to the kids who are struggling on a single parents benefit who figure the best way to get more money is have more babies. 
| Quote: | | Makes me wonder if you can exchange siblings for money. |
I'm sure a smart bloke like you could figure something out. 
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nomadjack
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| David, Rudd is a devout Christian with conservative values which he has never hidden in public life. The ALP is also quite conservative on many social issues, particularly in areas such as abortion law and same sex marriages where the party's strong Catholic base is influential. Why would you be surprised at the stand Rudd has taken on this issue? |
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David 
to wish impossible things
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: the edge of the deep green sea
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| member34258 wrote: | Just on "generalizations" David wrote;
| Quote: | | I am suggesting that Rudd should be representing his 'half' of Australia better. |
So Rudd's "half" includes all the homosexuals? That the result to be drawn from this statement considering it referred to Rudd joining Howard in opposing same sex marriage.
I think you may be surprised just what constitutes Howard's "half". |
What, only homosexuals support homosexual rights?
Let me articulate my point more clearly:
a) same-sex marriage is a controversial subject where, as far as I am aware, there is no clear-cut majority on either side.
b) many, but not all, who support same-sex marriage would vote Labor. I would suggest that most of those who are strongly opposed to it would vote Liberal.
c) If Rudd was genuinely trying to represent those who vote for him, he might be more hesitant to support Howard on this issue. Admittedly, I am surprised that he did come out and say it, as you would have thought the majority of the Labor caucus would disagree with him. Then again, who knows?
d) Rudd is not particularly interested in the voters left of him, because he knows they're going to vote for Labor anyway (or give them their preferences). Therefore, it appears he is trying to gain some of Howard's conservative vote, and is afraid to alienate them. Hence his support of Howard on this issue.
And in response to your post, my best friend is more right-wing than I am So, no, I wasn't suggesting anything of the kind.
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Robbo.D.yobbo
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | I have nothing against them |
what do you mean THEM??!?!?!?! trying to single them out are we???...haha |
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stui magpie
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My understanding of the issue Tess, is that it's more about official recognitian of the relationship than any symbolic guesture.
A same sex couple can have a committment ceremony and wear rings if that floats their bot, but it's not recognised by the government anyomer than any other defacto couple.
The key differences between a defacto couple and a married couple (regardless same sex or not) as I understand it are:
Recognition as next of kin
Access to assetts upon death
Division of assetts upon separation
There's probably more, including the effect on immigration if one is trying to bring their defacto into australia to live.
Personally, I'd like to see the laws changed to recognise the rights of defacto couples, same sex or otherwise. That might settle a lot of the issues.
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Syd_Magpies_Girl
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David, I can count 10 girls I know in Newcastle that fell pregnant at the age of 18 and 19 so they could get the baby bonus to make modifications to their custom cars. It's not a myth.
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