Trade Targets ~ Free Agency & MSD player movements

[Pies2016]

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Funny you say this. I was watching the Swans game last night and I actually googled about Warner’s junior career just to better understand as to why he went so late in the draft. While his non selection by most other clubs appears somewhat bemusing, the main criticism should be aimed at the two WA clubs who had him in their own back yard and couldn’t identify his talent.
To be fair, there’s a lot of layers that go into choosing players on draft night but on the surface, Warners non selection ( before #39 ) will go down as an opportunity lost by most clubs. All clubs have their draft skeletons but they don’t come out anywhere near as often while you’re winning.
Also as an aside, we need to remember, all of Gulden, Mills, Heeney and Blakey were selected under the Academy rules of the day.

Is this officially a “ spiral “ ?

[LaurieHolden]

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[The Black and White Lion]

love the recruitment aspiration. With 7 players in that's 7 spots we need to clear.

Assuming Kreuger, Carmichael and Johnson are out, who are the other 4 you need to cut to make this drive happen? Is this a mix of forced retirements or are we culling some of the emerging young blood too?

Assuming all of Sullivan, Harrison, Dean and Parker will be retained and Richards gets a new deal. Eyre looked good in the VFL and pre-season so see no need to de-list and waste all the work done to date, gets another deal for me. Condon gets a CatB deal too.

Ryan hasn't done much in 2024. Demattia was good in his first game back but is learning post the injury. Jiath has an ankle injury at the moment but looked good til then. Begg and Steene both done for injuries and seemingly too short for AFL ruck but worth persevering with one of them for a KF or KB role. Begg is competitive and feisty in the contest and we want to see that from forwards but no good in the ruck against bigger taller frames.

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[Pies2016]

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Free agency was introduced as a way of players being able to maximise their potential earnings during a small employment window.
Nearly all free agents who swap clubs, go to the destination club who bids the most for their services. You make it sound as though Collingwood is the only club who is looking to improve their list. We would be fortunate to secure two ( quality ) free agents, simply because there are many other clubs who are also looking to improve their list. It would only need two clubs to be red hot on the same player and automatically, whoever wins the bidding war is committing to overs, contract wise. If you want to put the bulk of your playing group out of joint, then simply start paying any new players way more than what they’re worth.

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[quote="Pies2016"]^^^Really? Is that what free agency was introduced for? Who would have thunk it that other teams might also be in the market. You learn something every day.

Here’s another gem you’re probably also aware of. List strategies were introduced to maximise most available talent to achieve best possible outcomes and success. Sometimes clubs play overs to get who they want if they suit their requirements and sometimes players take unders to play for a big club and play finals and possibly win premierships. I believe the term that has been used to describe it is ‘moneyball’.

I think you might be a bit naive if you think players end up with the highest bidder….if that were the case ‘big fish’ such as Judd, Brown, Riewoldt, Lynch (to name but a few) all would have been Pies. There’s way more to acquiring free agents than just $$$. AFL players are generally competitive beasts and if they haven’t already they want to achieve ultimate success. That’s the way the cookie crumbles.

[WhyPhilWhy?]

If you’re 195cm or taller and able to stand up when it comes to our MSD draft pick, you’re coming to Collingwood.

[Pies2016]

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[The Black and White Lion]

Yeah we're all there abouts aren't we.
Best chance of a trade for Johnson is with the crows in my mind right now. Elliot Himmelberg to the GWS or us via FA leaves a hole in their forward line. They could look for a medium tall like Johnson and that could net us a 3rd round pick at best (very optimistic thinking)
Perhaps Fin Macrae the only one with some draft capital albeit late 2nd or 3rd pick at best now if we're lucky (probably optimistic again). Maybe that's a way to dilute a potential trade with the dogs for Bailey Smith given we have pretty much nought for this year and few first round draft pick opportunities left before the Tassie Devils squeeze.

[Pep]

"Collingwood have interest in Bombers forward Harrison Jones. Currently OOC, expect the forward to repay the faith from Essendon but Pies looking at tall options."
From Pie Source on X (twitter)

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