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Johnno75
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It was mentioned in the presser about Grundy being a Keating type ruckman and belting the ball forward. He acknowledged territory is good and momentum going forward but we all know I midfield has too many grunt insiders and no outside runners to capitalise on Grundy smashing the ball forward. So we go short, dinky to win it in close and try and get our half backers to spread the ball from that point. Getting crisp into the middle might help. But we need a bit of speed at the contest otherwise nothing will change.
In a way you feel for Bucks, he was such an elite kick and now has a team with poor foot skills and it’s been a problem for years. You have to wonder how much he has been muzzled on recruiting and getting the right type of players into the club
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It was mentioned in the presser about Grundy being a Keating type ruckman and belting the ball forward. He acknowledged territory is good and momentum going forward but we all know our midfield has too many grunt insiders and no outside runners to capitalise on Grundy smashing the ball forward. So we go short, dinky to win it in close and try and get our half backers to spread the ball from that point. Getting crisp into the middle might help. But we need a bit of speed at the contest otherwise nothing will change.
In a way you feel for Bucks, he was such an elite kick and now has a team with poor foot skills and it’s been a problem for years. You have to wonder how much he has been muzzled on recruiting and getting the right type of players into the club
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
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| Johnno75 wrote: |
In a way you feel for Bucks, he was such an elite kick and now has a team with poor foot skills and it’s been a problem for years. You have to wonder how much he has been muzzled on recruiting and getting the right type of players into the club |
Most likely zero... he's his own man so I very much doubt he didn't have pretty much 100% say in things, it's his team. He's taken plenty of short cuts i.e our forward line, our skills etc... if you don't include the players we took in the draft this year what's the % of our players grabbed from other clubs, and of them what % are any good?
It's his team.
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Everyone talking about who should or shouldn’t be in the midfield are totally missing the point.
Within our midfield and defence, the structures and personal are adequate and on some lines even elite.
It’s the bloody forward line which has been a shambles (apart from 2018) ever since Buckley took over.
An idea straight out of the Malcolm Blight coaching book, swap the forwards and defenders and just see how it goes. I mean, it couldn’t be any worse than it currently is. Hell, we might finally get players leading out, presenting, pressuring and god forbid, maybe, just maybe, crumb a ball of the pack.
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| slangman wrote: | Everyone talking about who should or shouldn’t be in the midfield are totally missing the point.
Within our midfield and defence, the structures and personal are adequate and on some lines even elite.
It’s the bloody forward line which has been a shambles (apart from 2018) ever since Buckley took over.
An idea straight out of the Malcolm Blight coaching book, swap the forwards and defenders and just see how it goes. I mean, it couldn’t be any worse than it currently is. Hell, we might finally get players leading out, presenting, pressuring and god forbid, maybe, just maybe, crumb a ball of the pack. |
When I coached netball I used to do that every week at training and when ever we were smashing a team, because the shooters get lazy and don’t try hard enough to get the ball back.
With a decent KPP forward we can beat any team, even with a few skill challenged players bux insists on continuing to play the same plan
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Magpietothemax wrote: | | Pies2016 wrote: | To quote a very oft used phrase by Ross Lyon “ you don’t get beaten by what you know “
The Lions knew they weren’t going to win a hit out all night, so they simply sat on the Pies midfielders at every stoppage. ( Pendles / Neale ) ( Adams / Lyons ) etc
The net result is that Collingwood players got first touch of the footy often enough but it wouldn’t equate to anything like a clearance because the Lions were hanging off them . All their inside work was done under immense pressure, so even if we did clear it, it would go to an opposition player much more often than not ( statistically its two out three times acrossq the league anyway )
You can read into his conference however you like but he is simply saying that Fagen was at least in a position to identify a game trend before it unfolded and then pre plan accordingly. Buckley would have known that too but you can’t counteract that plan because the whole premise of footy is to get the ball before the opposition. We did but we were then jumped on and coughed it up accordingly. |
Perhaps we could have planned better for it though. Grundy could have tapped the ball clear in random, but planned, directions which we were expecting and Brisbane had no way of predicting, for example. |
"Random, but planned".  |
I should have said "apparently random", meaning that Grundy has some preplanned strategy for signalling to our mids when and where he will aim to punch the ball into space, but apparently random to the opposition. Not so difficult to interpret what i meant, without such a detailed explanation, i would have thought.
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eddiesmith
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| So is Buckley basically saying Ned Guy $%$ed up and he never would ha e signed Grundy to such a stupid contract as ruckmen are completely useless? |
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Has he set a date?
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shawthing 
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| Mr Miyagi wrote: | | Buckley made a good point about hit outs. Melbourne is in the same boat and can’t capitalise either. |
Well why the hell did we mortgage the farm for a useless player in Grundy then? More reason Bucks must go! |
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shawthing
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | Actually, I agree with the gist of what Bucks said about hit outs. They don't really mean a thing, because it's what happens immediately after on the deck that's important. Pies2016 has described last night's situation really well, I reckon.
Ruck contests are the method used to start or restart the game. That's all they are. The only stat that really means anything from a ruck contest is a direct clearance ie ruckman knocks ball straight to one of his mids, who then clears it from the area. |
Do you watch Nic Nat play? He palms it basketball style to his rovers. But again it raises the question, What use is Grundy then? Now of course I believe Grundy DOES have a big role to play, but obviously his coach doesn't. If Bucks had his way we would be a team where everyone was a six foot midfield who followed the ball everywhere. The man's a coaching dinosaur. |
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shawthing
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| Mr Miyagi wrote: | | Just a wild guess, but clearly Buckley was dirty on himself and losing the game by a kick on the final siren, and wasn’t in the mood to talk shit with people pretending to be journalists. We’re all human. 🤷♂️ |
Stop defending the idiot. He's a fool and a footy joke. His peers are laughing at him. |
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| shawthing wrote: | | Mr Miyagi wrote: | | Buckley made a good point about hit outs. Melbourne is in the same boat and can’t capitalise either. |
Well why the hell did we mortgage the farm for a useless player in Grundy then? More reason Bucks must go! |
That's right AND Buckley didn't make a good point, he lost by a good point.
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Dark Beanie 
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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| shawthing wrote: | | Mr Miyagi wrote: | | Just a wild guess, but clearly Buckley was dirty on himself and losing the game by a kick on the final siren, and wasn’t in the mood to talk shit with people pretending to be journalists. We’re all human. 🤷♂️ |
Stop defending the idiot. He's a fool and a footy joke. His peers are laughing at him. |
So he won’t be on your Xmas card list then?
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Gerry Cooper
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| think positive wrote: | | slangman wrote: | Everyone talking about who should or shouldn’t be in the midfield are totally missing the point.
Within our midfield and defence, the structures and personal are adequate and on some lines even elite.
It’s the bloody forward line which has been a shambles (apart from 2018) ever since Buckley took over.
An idea straight out of the Malcolm Blight coaching book, swap the forwards and defenders and just see how it goes. I mean, it couldn’t be any worse than it currently is. Hell, we might finally get players leading out, presenting, pressuring and god forbid, maybe, just maybe, crumb a ball of the pack. |
When I coached netball I used to do that every week at training and when ever we were smashing a team, because the shooters get lazy and don’t try hard enough to get the ball back.
With a decent KPP forward we can beat any team, even with a few skill challenged players bux insists on continuing to play the same plan |
If we got a decent specialist KPP forward Buckley would play him in the ruck!
And we know how that ends.
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| BEAMER09 wrote: | | shawthing wrote: | | Mr Miyagi wrote: | | Buckley made a good point about hit outs. ... |
Well why the hell did we mortgage the farm for a useless player in Grundy then? More reason Bucks must go! |
That's right AND Buckley didn't make a good point, he lost by a good point. |
His justification for Grundy is "he's a midfielder".
The question is: how good is he as a mid, really? He's being judged easily as a mid 'cos he's a ruckman. |
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