Boko Haram, too many dead to count.

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[Wokko]

Islam was founded, built, spread and consolidated through violence and war. From the Arabian peninsular and Mohammed through all the various Caliphates and fracturings it has been war, violence, conquest and forced conversion with death to anyone who tried to leave that have painted Islam's history.

Why does anyone think that it's any different today?

Christians and Jews have been systematically run out of or wiped out in every middle eastern country where Islam holds sway. I do not want that religion growing in the West, I don't want to give sympathy to its ideals. Those who hold those beliefs and want to practice them should do so peacefully, quietly and within the laws of the land, like every other religion on Earth does in Western democracies.

[think positive]

Another great post

[Tannin]

You are right insofar as Christianity wasn't founded through violence and war. It was, however, built, spread and consolidated through violence and war on a massive scale. Islam came about partly as a reaction to that Christian imperialism, violence and war, which was nearing its peak when Islam began. Christianity specialised in war, violence, conquest and forced conversion for more than a thousand years, and is far from innocent today.

Non-Christians and Jews were systematically run out of or wiped out in every European country, and in many other parts of the world as well. I do not want that religion growing in the West or anywhere else, I don't want to give sympathy to its ideals. Those who hold those beliefs and want to practice them should do so peacefully, quietly and within the laws of the land.

If you really think that "every other religion on Earth" apart from Islam behaves peacefully and ethically, you have got rocks in your head. Look at the Christian fundamentalist fruitcakes in the USA and here, look at the atrocities in Ireland and the Balkans, look at the radical Hindu batards in India - religious violence and intolerance and oppression is everywhere. Islam is simply the worst of a very bad lot.

[think positive]

Personally I don't think any one religion, any one "power" any ONE anything should have absolute power of anything, let alone the whole world! Common sense, and let's face it, that's all I have! tells you that!

It's just asking for trouble.

Christianity in your average western country, just wants to get on with it, problem with Islam, is they don't respect anyone else's opinion and rights.

[laird]

[Wokko]

[Tannin]

Stop exaggerating, Wokko. The Christian Reformation was nothing remotely like a movement of peace and civilisation. It was indeed a time when Christian atrocities rose to a still-greater peak of nastiness. It is true that Christian butchery has indeed decreased since then, but it remains alive and very, very nasty in many different parts of the world to this day. As always, it serves as a cloak for greed and aggression. These days, Western greed and aggression tends to be cloaked in secular rather than religious excuses, but it is nevertheless powerful and widespread. Look, for example, at the appalling US conduct in the Middle East - the very conduct which has led to this current conflict. Indeed, the "fruitcakes" of western civilisation do not roam around murdering random civilians one at a time. They use drones and supersonic jets with napalm, not AK-47s. And they kill vastly more Muslims than Muslims kill westerners. Most of the killing is done indirectly, for profit, with exploitative trade practices and ruthless business agreements with compliant locals on the ground. People aren't shot or beheaded as a rule, they starve to death slowly.

Now there is good in Western civilisation too, no question of that. In the last couple of years even the US - traditionally the worst offender - has been making (I believe) genuine efforts to do the right thing in the Middle East. The current US-led anti-ISIS military campaign is an example of this, as is their major contribution to dealing with the ebola crisis. The French too have been active in Africa, putting their own lives at risk to keep the peace in many different parts of that unhappy continent. But both nations must also live with the consequences of their past actions in those parts of the world, live with the massive (and quite justified) anger and resentment the people of those regions feel. France, right now, is doing just that.

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Christianity didn't civilise itself.
It took centuries of graft by humanists and scientists to break down piece by piece the moribund, restrictive, violent and discriminatory way that Christianity was followed and inflicted on the populaces of Europe.
The "Reformation" split Christianity in two in Europe and brought about bloodshed on a continent wide basis for generations. Huguenots Wars, Jacobite Wars, the Counter Reformation, Inquisitions, the Thirty Years War all hopelessly violent religious based conflicts. Millions killed.
However the Renaissance and Enlightenment where secular ideas flourished well they are a different story.
The West has civilised itself in spite of and contrary to Christianity.

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What 20-50 years for the Royal Commission(or whatever it'll be called then) into current day Islamic Schools if we are still a democracy that is.

We will be condemned because we did nothing.

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[Tannin]

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