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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | ^ On the other hand, he has first hand experience of what it takes to get a West Coast player to choke in front of goal against Collingwood in a big final. That must be worth something? |
Must’ve had a bad day in 2018 then…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CE7WymWCjs
31m, 40s.
It's also a little difficult to understand - even at this late date - why Millane didn't receive a free kick when Robert Wiley - who was running for the Eagles - ran across in front of him and took the ball out of bounds to create the stoppage from which Sumich got that mark. |
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In 91 Wiley ran into Tony Shaw who had the pill and was subsequently pinged by an egirl and penalised for holding the ball. It was at Vic Park and the crowd and Shaw went ballistic. I used to stand on the wing near the past players room. About 10 minutes later Wiley was running around and actually coaching. "Your free" "your hot" etc. Darren Millane grabbed a loose ball and was storming down the wing and Wiley deliberately tried to block his path. Pants yelled "Get out of my way you little c^&% or I will smash you. He kicked to Daicos . Wiley complained to the umpire "Who said "If he had of run through I would have paid Darren a free. Now piss off and get off the ground. I am gibing you a warning." At 3/4 time the umpire wandered over to Malthouse and pointed at Wiley,
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| Said by Zed wrote: | | Magpietothemax wrote: | Based on Hawthorn;s performance tonight against the Swans, one can surmise that Clarkson has lost absolutely none of his genius and his ability to inspire brilliance in the team he coaches. Hawthorn are below us on the ladder and turned in a performance of such exhilaration and energy that we could never possibly imagine under the 2021 Bux coaching regime.
however, I dont think we are any chance to get him. I think his project now is to rebuild Hawthorn, rather than us.
Beware of Sam Mitchell though. By all means, interview him and make an assessment. But never assume that a former legend can become a master coach. We need to learn lessons from history, especially the immediate history. |
Pfft! Rubbish and fabrication. “One fine day a Summer doesn’t make” - Shakespeare. There’s a litany of games in which Buckley inspired brilliance from what many believed to be a sub standard team i.e. most of 2018 especially prelim against the all conquering Tigers, 2020 final against WC in WC under unprecedented conditions etc
Poor genius Clarko has had to pull that team together and keep them focused after all the on field and off field controversy and distractions, all of which were none of his doing…….oh, wait a minute |
Anyone who says "pfft" lacks credibility.
Your quote from Shakespeare actually contradicts the argument you are attempting to make. Yes I agree, "One fine day a summer does not make". Flashes of brilliance do not a champion coach signify. Moreover, many of those flashes of brilliance occurred in 2018, when there is significant doubt that he actually was the one who was creating it (cf Justin Longmuir and Hocking).
Are you seriously decrying the astonishing achievements of Clarkson as a coach, by counterposing to them the distractions and controversies Bux had to deal with? If I actually used the expression "Pfft", it would be appropriate for me to use it here. Thankfully, however, I don't.
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Malthouse endorses Chocko Williams FWIW.
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| ronrat wrote: | | In 91 Wiley ran into Tony Shaw who had the pill and was subsequently pinged by an egirl and penalised for holding the ball. It was at Vic Park and the crowd and Shaw went ballistic. I used to stand on the wing near the past players room. About 10 minutes later Wiley was running around and actually coaching. "Your free" "your hot" etc. Darren Millane grabbed a loose ball and was storming down the wing and Wiley deliberately tried to block his path. Pants yelled "Get out of my way you little c^&% or I will smash you. He kicked to Daicos . Wiley complained to the umpire "Who said "If he had of run through I would have paid Darren a free. Now piss off and get off the ground. I am gibing you a warning." At 3/4 time the umpire wandered over to Malthouse and pointed at Wiley, |
I didn't know that egirls existed at that time.
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Malthouse endorses Chocko Williams FWIW. |
Yes I read Malthouse's article in the Herald sun. Chocco would certainly be infinitely better than Lyon, but I think we should try to persuade him to come back to us as an assistant coach.
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Lyon’s response when asked was totally uninspiring/ disinterested.
We don’t need another bloody “gf losing” coach such as him.
Also he “walked” on St Kilda without notice. A selfish prick.
I don’t want him.
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | Said by Zed wrote: | | Magpietothemax wrote: | Based on Hawthorn;s performance tonight against the Swans, one can surmise that Clarkson has lost absolutely none of his genius and his ability to inspire brilliance in the team he coaches. Hawthorn are below us on the ladder and turned in a performance of such exhilaration and energy that we could never possibly imagine under the 2021 Bux coaching regime.
however, I dont think we are any chance to get him. I think his project now is to rebuild Hawthorn, rather than us.
Beware of Sam Mitchell though. By all means, interview him and make an assessment. But never assume that a former legend can become a master coach. We need to learn lessons from history, especially the immediate history. |
Pfft! Rubbish and fabrication. “One fine day a Summer doesn’t make” - Shakespeare. There’s a litany of games in which Buckley inspired brilliance from what many believed to be a sub standard team i.e. most of 2018 especially prelim against the all conquering Tigers, 2020 final against WC in WC under unprecedented conditions etc
Poor genius Clarko has had to pull that team together and keep them focused after all the on field and off field controversy and distractions, all of which were none of his doing…….oh, wait a minute |
Anyone who says "pfft" lacks credibility.
Your quote from Shakespeare actually contradicts the argument you are attempting to make. Yes I agree, "One fine day a summer does not make". Flashes of brilliance do not a champion coach signify. Moreover, many of those flashes of brilliance occurred in 2018, when there is significant doubt that he actually was the one who was creating it (cf Justin Longmuir and Hocking).
Are you seriously decrying the astonishing achievements of Clarkson as a coach, by counterposing to them the distractions and controversies Bux had to deal with? If I actually used the expression "Pfft", it would be appropriate for me to use it here. Thankfully, however, I don't. |
Alas, poor Buckley! I knew him Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. He hath borne me on his back a thousand times, and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it.
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What??? 🥴😝😾
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| Lord Maximus Farquaad wrote: |
Alas, poor Buckley! I knew him Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. He hath borne me on his back a thousand times, and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it. |
Wonderful!! The poetic imagination of Shakespeare captures so well the nature of the current situation.
Alas poor Buckley. I knew him Horatio, a fellow of infinite strength, most excellent resolution. He hath borne Collingwood on his back a thousand times, and now how sad in my memory it is! My anguish rises at it.
That is the emotional crisis we find ourselves entangled in. But time moves on, as does the will to grasp destiny with both hands.
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Leaving this one to you lot. Just get it bleeding right, would yer?
Being overseas you don't see enough of the other teams to get a good sense of the other clubs and coaches aside from the obvious names.
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Coaching candidates
Alastair Clarkson
[*] North Melbourne (1987-1995) = Player
[*] Melbourne (1996-1998) = Player (runner in 1998)
[*] St Kilda (1999) = Assistant coach
[*] Werribee (2000) = Senior coach
[*] Central Districts (2001-2002) = Senior coach
[*] Port Adelaide (2003-2004) = Assistant coach (midfield)
[*] Hawthorn (2005-2021) = Senior coach
Ross Lyon
[*] Fitzroy (1985-1994) = Player
[*] Brisbane Bears (1995) = Player
[*] Richmond (1996-1999) = Assistant coach
[*] Carlton = (2000-2004) = Assistant coach and VFL coach
[*] Sydney = (2005-2006) = Assistant coach (midfield)
[*] St Kilda = (2007-2011) = Senior coach
[*] Fremantle = (2012-2019) = Senior coach
Mark Williams
[*] West Adelaide (1976-1978) = Player
[*] Port Adelaide (1979-1980) = Player
[*] Collingwood (1981-1986) = Player
[*] Brisbane Bears (1987-1990) = Player
[*] Port Adelaide (1990-1992) = Player
[*] Glenelg (1993-1994) = Senior coach
[*] Essendon (1995-1996) = Assistant coach
[*] Port Adelaide (1997-2010) = Assistant coach 1997-98, senior coach 1999-2010.
[*] GWS (2011-2012) = Senior assistant coach
[*] Richmond (2013-2016) = Development coach
[*] Werribee (2019-2020) = Senior coach
[*] Melbourne (2021) = Head of development
Sam Mitchell
[*] Hawthorn (2002-2016) = Player
[*] West Coast (2017-2018) = Player in 2017, Assistant coach in 2018
[*] Hawthorn (2019-2021) = Assistant coach in 2019-20, VFL coach in 2021
Adam Kingsley
[*] Port Adelaide (1997-2010) = Player; Assistant coach 2007-09
[*] St Kilda (2011-2018) = Assistant coach
[*] Richmond (2019-2021) = Assistant coach
Adem Yze
[*] Melbourne (1995-2008) = Player
[*] Hawthorn (2012-2020) = Assistant coach (specialist goal kicking and development 2012-14; backline 2015-20)
[*] Melbourne (2021) = Assistant coach
Chris Scott
[*] Brisbane Bears (1994-1996) = Player
[*] Brisbane Lions (1997-2007) = Player
[*] Fremantle (2008-2010) = Assistant coach
[*] Geelong (2011-2021) = Senior coach
Brad Scott
[*] Hawthorn (1997) = Player
[*] Brisbane Lions (1998-2006) = Player
[*] Collingwood (2007-2009) = Development coach
[*] North Melbourne (2010-2019) = Senior coach
Don Pyke
[*] West Coast (1989-1998) = Player 1989-96; Runner 1997-98
[*] Claremont (1999-2000) = Senior coach
[*] West Coast (2001-2004) = Director
[*] Adelaide (2005-2006) = Assistant coach
[*] West Coast (2013-2015) = Assistant coach
[*] Adelaide (2016-2019) = Senior coach
[*] Sydney (2021) = Assistant coach
Robert Harvey
[*] St Kilda (1988-2008) = Player
[*] Carlton (2009-2010) = Assistant coach (development in 2009 and midfield in 2010)
[*] St Kilda (2011) = Assistant coach (midfield)
[*] Collingwood (2012-2021) = Assistant coach (midfield, senior assistant from 2013)
Justin Leppitsch
[*] Brisbane Bears (1993-1996) = Player
[*] Brisbane Lions (1997-2009) = Player until 2006, assistant coach 2007-09.[
[*] Richmond (2010-2013) = Assistant coach
[*] Brisbane Lions (2014-2016) = Senior coach
[*] Richmond (2017-2020) = Assistant coach
Scott Burns
[*] Norwood (1992-1994) = Player
[*] Collingwood (1995-2008) = Player
[*] West Coast (2009-2013) = Assistant coach
[*] Collingwood (2014-2017) = Assistant coach (midfield)
[*] Hawthorn (2018-2020) = Assistant coach (midfield in 2018, forward in 2019)
[*] Adelaide (2021) = Senior assistant coach
Michael Voss
[*] Brisbane Bears (1992-1996) = Player
[*] Brisbane Lions (1997-2006) = Player
[*] Brisbane Lions (2009-2013) = Senior coach
[*] Port Adelaide (2015-2021) = Midfield coach
Blake Caracella
[*] Essendon (1997-2002) = Player
[*] Brisbane Lions (2003-2004) = Player
[*] Collingwood (2005-2009) = Player 2005-06; Assistant coach 2007-09
[*] Geelong (2010-2016) = Assistant coach (forward)
[*] Richmond (2016-2019) = Assistant coach
[*] Essendon (2020-2021) = Assistant coach
Dale Tapping
[*] Collingwood (2012-2016) = VFL coach
[*] Brisbane Lions (2017-2021) = Assistant coach
Daniel Giansiracusa
[*] Western Bulldogs (2001-2020) = Player 2001-14; Assistant coach 2015-20
[*] Essendon (2021) = Assistant coach
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^ Thanks for comprehensive list, Jezza.
Also would be combing through the current assistant coaches of all teams. Leave no stone unturned Pies.
We need:
a) Experience in the AFL system
b) Flowing from (a), proven knoweledge of the game
c)Emotional intelligence /ability to connect with and inspire young men
That is how Chris Fagan, Luke Bevridge, Justin Longmuir were selected.
We need to do likewise.
Assistant coaches: look at Chocco, and look at Mick McGuan. I head on Grandstand ABC today that he would be willing to put up his hand for a role in the future development of our team. Go Pies!!
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I've already declared myself a strong advocate for Choco Williams as our coach, but I doubt he'll even get on the short list. Why? Because we have decided upon having a committee of 4 or 5 people make the decision. This ensures that the person selected will be a compromise/safe option. There's no way a really strong personality like Williams could get up with all committee members agreeing to his candidacy. I fear we will end up with a mediocre and safe candidate.
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