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Donny Aries

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:03 pm
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With Robinson's suspension for tweets he posted some 8 years ago, allegedly racist & sexist, a huge can of worms has opened up.

I see another present day English cricketer is under scrutiny:
https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/another-racist-tweet-posted-by-current-england-player-emerges

"Wisden.com have chosen to obscure the identity of the player, who had yet to turn 16 at the time."

With millions of tweets posted, over recent years and since Twitter began (2006), this could be highly explosive.

Thoughts ?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:20 pm
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This could get nasty. The sooner people stop using this insidious device the better.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:39 am
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G. Baum:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/no-excuse-or-alibi-for-bigotry-timeout-for-twit-tweets-is-right-for-the-times-20210608-p57z57.html

"But I do know that he has grown up in a time when there is no excuse or alibi for bigotry. Cognisance of its harm must have been in his schooling. It would have been there in his cricket pathway. It’s codified in sport these days, for reference and understanding, along with warnings about social media."



D. Hopps:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/battle-lines-drawn-in-the-culture-war-as-ollie-robinson-episode-becomes-political-cricket-ball-1265740

"To its dismay, the ECB finds itself caught up in an issue which is being wilfully misrepresented by many outside the game. The prime offender is the prime minister, Boris Johnson, assisted by his underling at the ministry for digital, culture, media and sport, Oliver Dowden, who have both termed Robinson's "punishment" (actually a suspension pending an investigation) as excessive as they calculatingly seek political capital from the latest populist issue to protect their lead in the polls. The prime minister does not much care for accountability or moralising - and the opinion polls suggest that neither does the majority of the public.

But this is not about victimisation of the perpetrator. It is about protecting the real victims - the minorities who became the quarry during Robinson's sexist and racist tweets, however immature and unthinking that they may have been, and who repeatedly find such episodes socially debilitating as they seek a just and fair society."
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:48 am
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Michael Holding (about his book, not this incident):

‘If I had grown up in the UK, I would not be alive today’

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/if-i-had-grown-up-in-the-uk-i-would-not-be-alive-today-20210622-p5836a.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:26 pm
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And the excuse about youth wears a bit thin too...

Do you really need to be old and mature to get that racism is bad? Question
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:57 pm
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Ollie Robinson cleared for return to cricket after receiving fine and suspension for historic tweets

"... suspended him for eight matches - five of them suspended for two years - as well as fine him a sum of £3200.

The tweets, which were posted between 2012 and 2014, when Robinson was aged between 18 and 20, contained racist and sexist content, as well as other pejorative comments..."


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:39 pm
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Baum:

A couple of miskicks expose racist few in England’s underbelly

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/a-couple-of-mis-kicks-expose-racist-few-in-england-s-underbelly-20210713-p589c9.html


Message for whoever wrote the title: if only it were only a "few"...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:09 pm
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Now massive controversy at the T20 WC regarding de Kock.

And this after the revelations of S. African dressing-room racism, e.g. that Paul Adams was given the nick-name "brown sh**" by his teammates, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:29 pm
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'Former England star Gary Ballance admitted on Thursday (AEDT) to being the Yorkshire player who called Azeem Rafiq “a P--i” in what a club investigation dismissed as “banter”.
...

Ballance spoke out at the end of a day of shame for the game in England, in which:

* Colin Graves was poised to return as Yorkshire chairman, with Roger Hutton on the brink of quitting or being forced out
* A member of the panel that dismissed Ballance calling Rafiq a P--i as “banter” said he stood by its findings
* More sponsors, including Yorkshire Tea, Tetley’s, Emerald and David Lloyd Clubs cut ties with the club in disgust
* Rafiq was urged to name all those he accused of racism and sweeping the issue under the carpet"
...

The panel’s rulings have been widely condemned, including by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and members of his cabinet, who called for “heads to roll” at Yorkshire over the handling of the scandal.
...

Ballance’s statement drew a withering response from Rafiq, who said on Twitter: “Funny how things change from complete denial to I accepted everything over a 14 month period?”'


(Telegraph, London)

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/former-england-test-star-admits-to-aiming-racial-slur-at-ex-teammate-20211104-p595yo.html
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:35 am
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Michael Vaughan stands accused of racist comments (11 years ago, as a Yorkshire player, in Rafiq's first season).

He's denied it in his newspaper column.

The alleged comments were something like, "There are too many of you lot", etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:56 pm
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A second English player, dunno who, has said Michael Vaughan made racist comments in his playing days.

The BBC stood Vaughan down from Monday's episode of his show with Tuffnell.


It doesn't surprise me. Vaughan has always had question marks over his character. (Remember when he stole a Test century against Oz by exploiting the old video replay rule for catches?)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:30 pm
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Oliver Brown, Telegraph London:

Root must speak out before silence on racism looks like complicity

"They have had more than 24 hours to respond to Azeem Rafiq’s devastating disclosures about the racism that has poisoned their sport, perpetrated by at least one of their former colleagues. Instead, their strategy for navigating this crisis appears to stretch no further than sitting tight and hoping it fades into the background.
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Silence on racism, of all issues, risks looking an awful lot like complicity. Eight of the travelling party were part of the Test set-up at the same time as Gary Ballance. Yes, the very Ballance who would call Rafiq a “P---“, allegedly asking “does your dad own these?” whenever they drove past a corner shop, and while describing any person of colour as “Kevin”.

It strains credulity to imagine that Joe Root, in particular, was not aware of the slurs that Ballance would deploy in the name of “banter”. After all, the pair shared a house while at Yorkshire together.

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These reflections alone should prompt Root to break cover from his Queensland bubble and offer a sincere apology for how the culture of casual racism at his home county made Rafiq feel. ...

If now is not the time for the England Test captain to respond, then when?
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It would be difficult to conceive of a more damaging picture than the one painted this week by Rafiq, a man who had grown up inspired by England’s Test icons but who wound up betrayed, discredited and abandoned by his sport."
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:29 pm
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Tim Paine.

Another one bites the dust. Sad

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:24 am
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K wrote:
A second English player, dunno who, has said Michael Vaughan made racist comments in his playing days.

The BBC stood Vaughan down from Monday's episode of his show with Tuffnell.

...

The BBC have now stood Vaughan down from their Ashes coverage. The BBC statement says the scandal is part of the cricket news, and he has a conflict of interest discussing it.

FoxSports should do the same and suspend him from their coverage. Sadly, that probably won't happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:45 pm
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K wrote:
Now massive controversy at the T20 WC regarding de Kock.

And this after the revelations of S. African dressing-room racism, e.g. that Paul Adams was given the nick-name "brown sh**" by his teammates, etc.

Now of course there's speculation about the timing of de Kock's retirement...
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