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David
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Had a dream last night that my partner had been letting our six-year-old son watch Game of Thrones (a show I've never actually seen myself but whose content I'm roughly familiar with). Describing my reaction as horrified would be putting it lightly. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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I have a possum sleeping in a hanging pot on my front porch.
It's pretty small, potentially a young one booted out of home, got drunk, fell into the pot and decided to sleep there.
I had to move my small outdoor table where I normally eat Breakfast as it was right under the pot and I don't want to find out how possum piss goes with eggs.
I'll be watching how he gets out come dark, good luck climbing up, I reckon the swan dive into the rose bush below may be the thing. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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KenH
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stui magpie wrote: | I have a possum sleeping in a hanging pot on my front porch.
It's pretty small, potentially a young one booted out of home, got drunk, fell into the pot and decided to sleep there.
I had to move my small outdoor table where I normally eat Breakfast as it was right under the pot and I don't want to find out how possum piss goes with eggs.
I'll be watching how he gets out come dark, good luck climbing up, I reckon the swan dive into the rose bush below may be the thing. |
Definitely can vouch possum piss will not go well will anything! I once had a possum piss on my head and went down my face onto my chest, bloody disgusting smell. Did make my workmates day though, they thought it was hilarious. _________________ Cheers big ears |
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think positive
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Awwwwww _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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think positive
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David wrote: | Had a dream last night that my partner had been letting our six-year-old son watch Game of Thrones (a show I've never actually seen myself but whose content I'm roughly familiar with). Describing my reaction as horrified would be putting it lightly. |
Hmmm I’m wondering what that dream means!!! The mind boggles! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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David
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I'm not 100% sure, but I remember a few days previously chatting to a father at school who casually mentioned that he'd shown his four-year-old son the "Mr Creosote" scene from The Meaning of Life. I understand that everyone has differing views on what's suitable to show their children, but man, that scene even disturbed me when I first saw it, and I was a teenager then! I recall reading that most of the group didn't even want to include it in the film because of how grotesque it was, until one of them pointed out that what was really funny about it was John Cleese's performance as the waiter. Anyway, I dunno, maybe it's harmless, but I guess it got my brain working in the background. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Tannin
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Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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Great stuff Stui! _________________ �Let's eat Grandma.� Commas save lives! |
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David
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Here's a pretty bizarre story: the Dutch translator of a book by a young African-American poet, Amanda Gorman (who some here might have seen speak at Joe Biden's inauguration), just resigned after a media + Twitter backlash arose over the fact that they're white.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/01/amanda-gorman-white-translator-quits-marieke-lucas-rijneveld
And after all the pile-on, the angst and the publisher's remorseful promise to find someone else for the job, here's the irony that really makes this a suitable candidate for the "WTF" thread:
Quote: | Gorman, who is 22, had selected the 29-year-old herself, as a fellow young writer who had also come to fame early. |
Translating poetry is, needless to say, an extremely specialised field – if you're translating a novel, for the most part you will have a bit of room to move with things like rhythm, word order and the like. It's not exactly an easy job, and you need a lot more skills than simply fluency in each language, but it's fair to say that there are a lot of good translators out there.
In poetry, on the other hand, where rhythm, rhyme, assonance, syllables, line length (and so on) can be everything, the degree of difficulty is on another level entirely. You don't have to merely translate the meaning (and you very much do have to do that!) but also, as near as possible, preserve the structure. So if you're a publisher looking for a translator, you'd probably need someone who's a proficient poet themselves, to say the least. And you'd want someone who knows the work in question and is passionate about it (some may be surprised to learn that simply sharing the same skin colour doesn't automatically entail this ...). That's on top of all the specialist skills mentioned above. So there won't be a long list of people qualified to do it, and once you filter out all the non-black, non-female Dutch speakers, how many candidates are you going to have on the table who are available for and interested in a job at a given time?
To be fair, I appreciate the logic here; it's the same as complaints about white actors taking on non-white roles: when you choose a white person for a job that a non-white person would be a more "natural" fit for, it seems like people aren't looking hard enough, and in doing so, are denying those from minority backgrounds jobs and career progression. But I don't see any obvious reason why a black translator must necessarily be assigned to a black poet's work, any more than an Asian director's film requires an Asian film critic, a female painter needs a female curator, or, for that matter, an Aboriginal musician needs an Aboriginal-only audience.
The fact that people of colour are underrepresented in creative industries is an issue that absolutely ought to be remedied – and I'm supportive of affirmative action policies to that end – but I feel like trying to "match" people in this way is a bit insulting and reductive. A black translator is not solely (or necessarily even primarily) qualified to work with black poets, so why not hire more black translators to work with white poets, and so on? It seems like what we have instead is a kind of fundamentalism that is, ironically, a kind of apartheid at core: where everyone must "stay in their lane", and tokenism rules. It's ridiculous and I think kind of misses the point of what art is about, to say the least. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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stui magpie
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That kind of stuff is unfortunately typical.
When Ruby Rose was selected to be Batwoman on the CWTV, there was an outcry from certain parties that she "Wasn't gay enough" because she identified as something other than clear Lesbian. Batwoman was the first out Lesbian superhero in comics.
She bailed from social media, did season 1 and did it damn well, I loved her in the role, then didn't renew for season 2. I don't know but can only presume the reasons.
The whole concept of acting I thought was to be able to portray a character that wasn't you. If you need to be gay to play a gay on screen, does that preclude gays from straight or non-specified roles?
Ian Fleming wrote James Bond as the archetypal Englishman and the best ever Bond on screen was a burly Scot. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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watt price tully
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It's a shocker of a story. But the elephant in the room here is: how can our prison system be so inhumane that anyone could be treated like this, guilty or innocent? It's not the $#%^ing dark ages. Reform is needed urgently. |
Currently before the courts. Let’s hope the good Justice Vasta gets what’s coming to him. Was he auditioning for a role as judge in Louisiana in the 1930’s?
https://amp.theguardian.com/law/2021/mar/17/federal-court-judge-admits-error-when-jailing-man-in-routine-property-dispute _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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watt price tully
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stui magpie
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Speak for yourself. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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How many sperm does anyone need, really? _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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watt price tully
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stui magpie wrote: | ^
Speak for yourself. |
😂😂
It’s the younger generations that will cop it 😉 _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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David wrote: | How many sperm does anyone need, really? |
Depends if you want some begetting or not.
If they are as accurate as Collingwood was tonight then heaps 😉 _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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