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Lazza 



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:05 pm
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For some weird reason, the following acts were not reported in the Oz media.

Bumrah was correctly criticised for unnecessarily knocking the bails at the bowler’s end today. However no one mentioned that once, Justin Langer did the very same thing during a game🤔

Warne rightly criticised fans for racially abusing Indian players today. However he forgot to mention that once he made racial comments towards an Asian girl years ago. Selective memories🙄

Murali had many derogatory comments made towards him from chanting fans and the Aussie media about his bowling action for years. He was called a chucker and his bowling action was deemed diabolical. This conveniently ignored the fact that he had a permanently bent arm due to a birth defect, and due to utter ignorance that bowling with a bent arm was perfectly legal as long as he didn’t straighten his arm more than 15 degrees. This happened even after his action was cleared and okayed by the ICC after extensive laboratory testing. However a few years ago, Murali was cheered on by Aussie fans during big bash games! He was basically bowling with the very same action. Go figure🧐 Looks like double standards never cease to exist 🤬😡

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:45 am
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Yep its the way of the world these days loaded with double standards and hypocrisy its every where in the world and will get more and more its the way it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:18 am
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90 nice wrote:
Yep its the way of the world these days loaded with double standards and hypocrisy its every where in the world and will get more and more its the way it is.


Sadly you are spot on 90. It is what it is but you don’t have to like it. I will always detest double standards.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:30 pm
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Lazza wrote:
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Murali had many derogatory comments made towards him from chanting fans and the Aussie media about his bowling action for years. He was called a chucker and his bowling action was deemed diabolical. This conveniently ignored the fact that he had a permanently bent arm due to a birth defect, and due to utter ignorance that bowling with a bent arm was perfectly legal as long as he didn’t straighten his arm more than 15 degrees. This happened even after his action was cleared and okayed by the ICC after extensive laboratory testing. ...

Bowling actions aren't the point of your thread, but...

The birth defect does not mean Murali could not throw. His arm would have to be fused at the elbow to prevent throwing. Obviously when he was fielding he was throwing fine.

To throw, the elbow angle just needs to change. It does not need you to fully straighten (or hyperextend) the elbow. (e.g. if it changes from 135 degrees to 155 degrees, it's throwing. Whether it reaches 180 degrees is irrelevant.) So that birth defect defence has no merit at all.

The rule about degrees of straightening was a rule change. And his doosra in testing in WA by Foster, who supported him, initially showed over 20 degrees of straightening, which doesn't even satisfy the new rule.


Foster is basically pro-chucking for spinners. He prefers a game with exotic balls from spinners, even if it's technically chucking, than a game that's stricter on chucking but doesn't have the exotic balls.

""It wouldn't worry me if a spin bowler bowled at 20 degrees, personally. But it certainly would worry me if a fast bowler did that," Dr Foster told cricket.com.au."
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:02 pm
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I never said that his birth defect meant that he couldn't throw. Of course he could while fielding but it was an optical illusion that it was an illegal delivery. So as long as he kept his elbow bend under 15 degrees, he was legal.
The facts are that in England he once bowled in an elbow cast at a training session in which he couldn't bend his elbow more than 15 degrees. He bowled beautifully.
Before the Hair affair, Murali was never called after playing in many countries including England, where he was umpired by test class umpires. After the Hair affair, Murali was never called anywhere by anyone, including World Cups. I will leave it to others to work that one out.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:04 pm
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But Daryl Foster's testing bypassed any optical illusions. I think after the doosra came in with over 20 degrees flexion, he worked with Murali to help him reduce it to 14. But anyway Foster's personal bias is that 20 degrees is okay for spinners. (Look at the quote above.) Foster likes chucking because he thinks the doosrahs, etc. are worth the cost.


Murali was never called before because the other umps were scared. Doing that sort of thing can cost you your career because of the political fall-out. Hair is pig-headed, so he did what other umps wanted to do but were too scared to do.

IIRC Hair claimed it did eventually cost him his career.


And after Hair, the ICC basically told umpires not to call him, i.e. they'd sort out the chucking thing through other means.


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Lazza 



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:11 pm
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But Daryl Foster's testing bypassed any optical illusions.

Murali was never called before because the other umps were scared. Hair is pig-headed, so he did what other umps wanted to do but were too scared to do.


Nah that is not correct. Why would the other umpires be scared? Hair even called a Murali leg break delivery as a throw! I have never met a leg spinner who could throw with the action required to bowl leg spin. FWIW, Shane Warne went out of his way to say that Murali didn't chuck, as did many others.

And again concerning your last statement, I have never even seen a document from the ICC alluding to what you say. That would be highly controversial because that would mean that umpires would never say or do anything about any illegalities in cricket. Logically, I don't buy that this ever happened unless I see concrete evidence/proof that it did.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:15 pm
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Of course they were scared! Hair wasn't scared because he's too pigheaded. The reaction to Hair showed umpires were totally correct to be scared.

It's not relevant what Warne thinks when biomechanical testing shows you're chucking. Then they changed the rule to allow some chucking. They basically changed the rules to allow Murali to keep playing. (As said above, the guy who submitted the report to the ICC, Foster, likes chucking because he likes doosrahs, etc.)

Sadly, chucking has this huge stigma attached to it. It's not like biting. It shouldn't have the stigma of biting. It's just a technical thing. If you have a technical problem, just work to fix it. That's roughly what happens nowadays. They get reported. No one goes berko. They work on it and come back.

Most recently the BBL bowler Chris Green.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:27 pm
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The problem was that the ICC wimped out and didn't fully support Hair. Whether one agrees or disagrees with his decisions, he had the right to do what he did on the field. He was doing his job perfectly. Exactly like with DRS today, if the decision is found to be wrong, so be it. Move on. It is what it is. No one is infallible. The last perfect man was hung on a cross. But to hang Hair was extremely ordinary behaviour by the ICC. Stuff politics, pressure or corruption, do what is right and stand by your man.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:33 pm
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Hair could have done with some diplomacy training. But relations between players and umps were probably different 25 years ago. (Would any player have dared to swear at an ump back then?)

Recent article:

https://wwos.nine.com.au/cricket/muttiah-muralitharan-darrell-hair-no-balled-throwing-boxing-day-test-1995-australia-vs-sri-lanka/ac158934-43ef-4fde-b5d7-9ce0a05415ed

It claims:

"Hair, and other umpires, had previously raised concerns about Muralitharan's action with the ICC, with those reports forwarded to the Board of Control for Cricket in Sri Lanka (BCCSL, now Sri Lanka Cricket).

Those reports apparently fell on deaf ears..."



Hair: "Nearly every umpire I umpired with had concerns, they just weren't willing to take the final step."

And this: "But he bowled a lot of legal deliveries and you can see the difference in the legal ones better from the bowler's end."
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