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think positive Libra

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:51 am
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that was heartbreaking to watch, i saw that on telly. makes me so mad, i donated more than once, and then you find they are keeping funds for "a rainy day". disgusting. those poor people.



I didnt know it but one of the guys in a photography group im in lives in a hard lockdown tower/apartment somewhere, he posted this today. said hes fine, not stressed and practising photshop, he got these groceries today, and they are not out of date, and sausage rolls would be great please, he has a microwave!



meanwhile my sister text me while on a break, shes been there since last night with a break on a bunk at the cop shop. apparently its pretty chaotic, and they have had to stop a few situation that could have gone very bad.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:51 am
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stui magpie wrote:
think positive wrote:
K wrote:
eddiesmith wrote:
But the residents said they have received nothing or what they have is not good enough

Should we feel sorry for them all? ...

... but maybe I’m just too pissed off now to have sympathy for them.

David won't be happy, but it looks like they are getting a very good deal. I wonder what the reaction would be if we showed this info to people in other countries. I reckon a lot of them would laugh in disbelief that they're being treated so well. If this stretches out from 5 days to 50 days, without more gifts from Santa, then it may be a bit different. 5 days is nothing. Their whingeing alone takes more than 5 days.


couldnt agree more.

david said " I really do wonder how many people would be so keen to spruik the merits of this "necessary evil" if they had to trade places."

what if i said you had to do it to protect your son? .


I see a few different ways to look at this and none of them would think they're getting a very good deal.

1. David's gripe is that he seems to see this action as an attack on a particular "class" of people. The Poor, refugees, etc lets pick on them because we can. ....(...not....).

2. The lockdown is completely justified by the numbers in the towers. You can't compare people sharing communal facilities with people going into their own yards

3. The lockdown was implemented really badly. It was rushed and poorly communicated and managed. People found out they were going to be locked down, went to go buy groceries and found the Police already there enforcing lockdown. Someone panicked.

4. Many of the residents can afford to live elsewhere, in private housing but they choose to remain for a combination of factors including it's dirt cheap, great location, million $ views and a community feel with many other people of similar background. They aren't used to being in the flat 24/7, because they aren't normally. They're at work, or in the park, or socialising with others or somewhere else,

So basically, you have a lot of people, many from non-English speaking backgrounds for whom the Police are a symbol of oppression not help, suddenly, with zero notice, being told they're confined to their flat with hundreds of (completely confused) Police there to enforce it. Can't buy groceries, dispose of rubbish (including dirty nappies) but it's OK cos we'll give them some money, some long life food that's past it's best before date and drop some cold sausage rolls outside their front door at 2am.

It's not a good deal, it's a shit deal. But that has everything to do with how it was implemented and nothing to do with whether it was justified or not, which it clearly was.


There was no choice in how quickly it was closed down: better to have a few noses out of joint than spread it more quickly. Goodness me, how else can people complain to Sky News and 3AW?

I agree with the bolded bits

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:53 am
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On the timing, given how quickly it was already spreading, you can’t really be slow in enacting the lockdown. What’s the point of giving plenty of notice so they all leave and spread them virus around the whole community? Or just disappear so they’re not locked down?


Correct weight Eddie: Had to act first.


yep - people were bragging about changing their address on their licences a week ago!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:57 am
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There have been lots of donations, free food from lots of groups including the Sikh Community, Muslim support groups and individuals amongst others. It is catch up.

Mental health services are in place
Methadone providers are assisting
Health services are involved
It will take a few days to get ontop of the distribution and communications
Not sure where the ICE dealers will go though?

It is not desirable but it's 100% necessary.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:21 am
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Latest numbers

Confirmed (Deaths) - Recoveries

USA = 2,986,190 (132,613) - 1,290,652
Brazil = 1,604,585 (64,900) - 978,615
India = 705,161 (19,793) - 430,260
Russia = 687,282 (10,296) - 454,329
Peru = 302,718 (10,589) - 193,957
Chile = 295,532 (6,308) - 261,032
UK = 285,416 (44,220) - Unknown
Mexico = 256,848 (30,639) - 195,724
Spain = 250,545 (28,385) - 150,376
Iran = 243,051 (11,731) - 204,083
...........................................................
Australia = 8,586 (106) - 7,420

11,552,483 confirmed cases
537,642 deaths
6,540,462 recoveries

Australia:
- Confirmed cases = 8,586
---- New South Wales = 3,429
---- Victoria = 2,660
---- Queensland = 1,067
---- Western Australia = 621
---- South Australia = 443
---- Tasmania = 228
---- ACT = 108
---- NT = 30
- Deaths = 106
- Recoveries = 7,420
- Case fatality rate = 1.23%

Active Cases = 4,474,379
- USA = 1,562,925
- Brazil = 561,070
- India = 255,108
- Russia = 223,237
- South Africa = 100,236
- Peru = 98,172
- Pakistan = 95,407
- Bangladesh = 87,373
- Spain = 71,784
- Colombia = 65,165
............................................
- Australia = 1,060

**(Maximum) = Recovery numbers are not counted, so only subtracts the number of deaths from the total number of confirmed cases.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:31 am
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AUSTRALIA

Date = Confirmed Cases (New Cases) = Percentage of new cases

29/06/2020 = 7,956 (81) = 1.0%
30/06/2020 = 8,023 (67) = 0.8%
1/07/2020 = 8,109 (86) = 1.1%
2/07/2020 = 8,190 (81) = 1.0%
3/07/2020 = 8,255 (65) = 0.8%
4/07/2020 = 8,362 (107) = 1.3%
5/07/2020 = 8,449 (87) = 1.0%
6/07/2020 = 8,586 (137) = 1.6%

7,420 recovered, 106 deaths.

Cases doubling every 97 days.

850 cases of community transmission nationwide.

1,060 active cases.

Tasmania and ACT have no active cases.

Most cases in a 24-hour period since April 15.

Most deaths in a 24-hour period since May 3.

VICTORIA

Date = Confirmed Cases (New Cases) = Percentage of new cases

29/06/2020 = 2,099 (71) = 3.5%
30/06/2020 = 2,159 (60) = 2.9%
1/07/2020 = 2,231 (72) = 3.3%
2/07/2020 = 2,303 (72) = 3.2%
3/07/2020 = 2,368 (65) = 2.8%
4/07/2020 = 2,469 (101) = 4.3%
5/07/2020 = 2,536 (67) = 2.7%
6/07/2020 = 2,660 (124) = 4.9%

1,992 recovered, 22 deaths.

Cases doubling every 76 days in Victoria.

416 cases of community transmission in Victoria.

646 active cases.

Most cases in a 24-hour period since the pandemic started in January.

Most deaths in a 24-hour period since April 6.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:54 am
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watt price tully wrote:
There have been lots of donations, free food from lots of groups including the Sikh Community, Muslim support groups and individuals amongst others. It is catch up.

Mental health services are in place
Methadone providers are assisting
Health services are involved
It will take a few days to get ontop of the distribution and communications
Not sure where the ICE dealers will go though?

It is not desirable but it's 100% necessary.


dont they have those hallway dispensers??!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:42 am
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think positive wrote:
watt price tully wrote:
There have been lots of donations, free food from lots of groups including the Sikh Community, Muslim support groups and individuals amongst others. It is catch up.

Mental health services are in place
Methadone providers are assisting
Health services are involved
It will take a few days to get ontop of the distribution and communications
Not sure where the ICE dealers will go though?

It is not desirable but it's 100% necessary.


dont they have those hallway dispensers??!


Yes they do: with the martini’s

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watt price tully wrote:
think positive wrote:
watt price tully wrote:
There have been lots of donations, free food from lots of groups including the Sikh Community, Muslim support groups and individuals amongst others. It is catch up.

Mental health services are in place
Methadone providers are assisting
Health services are involved
It will take a few days to get ontop of the distribution and communications
Not sure where the ICE dealers will go though?

It is not desirable but it's 100% necessary.


dont they have those hallway dispensers??!


Yes they do: with the martini’s


so what are they whinging about!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pm
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Hello lockdown my old friend, we're going to have you here again.

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Victoria records 191 cases in a day
News just in from The Age's state political editor Noel Towell: Victoria is set to report 191 new cases of COVID-19 on Tuesday, the highest number of diagnoses in the state since the start of the pandemic.

It comes after the state recorded its previous highest daily figure of 127 cases yesterday.

The total number of cases recorded in the state is now at 2824.


https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-surpass-11-5-million-as-australian-death-toll-stands-at-106-20200706-p559it.html

FMD, we've gone from having this shit under control to totally out of control.

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We're in trouble.
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Victoria has recorded 191 new cases of coronavirus overnight, the largest single-day increase so far in the state.

The record number of new infections brings the number of active cases of COVID-19 to 772.

The possibility of further lockdowns is a real prospect, with Premier Daniel Andrews previously warning more postcodes could have restrictions reimposed on them if the virus continues to spread.

This morning there was a meeting of the Crisis Council of Cabinet, which includes Mr Andrews and seven senior ministers.

The Premier is expected to hold a press conference this afternoon.

The ABC understands regional and rural areas of Victoria that have no or few cases of the virus may be spared from any lockdowns, with the Government considering restrictions for Melbourne instead.

....

There have been 13 new cases of COVID-19 linked to the Flemington and North Melbourne public housing towers, bringing the total to 69.

The City of Wyndham, in Melbourne's outer west, has recorded a big increase in recent days but has no postcodes under the increased restrictions.

Unlike at the peak in new cases recorded at the start of the pandemic, when many of the new infections were linked to returned travellers, the vast majority of the cases over the past three weeks have been locally acquired.

Of the new cases, 37 are linked to known outbreaks and the remaining 154 are under investigation — meaning health officials are still tracing the source of the infection.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise/12428704
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:48 pm
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We're in trouble.


We are in seriously deep shit.

Majority of the cases are local transmission, so the only sensible thing to do is to wind right back to everything shut down, everyone STF at home.

That could do some serious damage to small businesses though, particularly retail and hospitality, many of whom only just scraped through the last lockdown period.

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Likely that the whole state will go back to lockdown.

Focus has been on Melbourne but there are cases in some regional areas.

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Victoria has recorded 191 new cases of coronavirus overnight, the largest single-day increase so far in the state.

The record number of new infections brings the number of active cases of COVID-19 to 772.

The possibility of further lockdowns is a real prospect, with Premier Daniel Andrews previously warning more postcodes could have restrictions reimposed on them if the virus continues to spread.

This morning there was a meeting of the Crisis Council of Cabinet, which includes Mr Andrews and seven senior ministers.

The Premier is expected to hold a press conference this afternoon.

The ABC understands regional and rural areas of Victoria that have no or few cases of the virus may be spared from any lockdowns, with the Government considering restrictions for Melbourne instead.

....

There have been 13 new cases of COVID-19 linked to the Flemington and North Melbourne public housing towers, bringing the total to 69.

The City of Wyndham, in Melbourne's outer west, has recorded a big increase in recent days but has no postcodes under the increased restrictions.

Unlike at the peak in new cases recorded at the start of the pandemic, when many of the new infections were linked to returned travellers, the vast majority of the cases over the past three weeks have been locally acquired.

Of the new cases, 37 are linked to known outbreaks and the remaining 154 are under investigation — meaning health officials are still tracing the source of the infection.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise/12428704


nice concise link, thankyou.

the first bolded shows the tower thing was necessary IMO (and now im glad my sister chose to sleep at the station instead of coming here like i offered!! hopefully she didnt catch it.)

the second, this is what i warned yesterday, without giving too much away, i suggest you stock up a little on fresh fruit and veg, and frozen products if you shop at a big supermarket chain. at the very least prices will rise.

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