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stui magpie 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | ^ I know nothing beyond what’s public and I’m not speculating. From the Boards’s perspective, though, there is the tiny matter of a 4 Corners episode broadcast 2 days ago which, according to the ABC’s synopsis, details in 47 m and 16 s “evidence of how a desire to protect reputation at all costs has allowed a toxic culture to flourish”. I bet that got their attention. Every school has a paedophile or 3 lurking about - but not every school allows “a toxic culture to flourish”. |
I would argue that any organisation, not just schools. who have a desire to protect reputation at all costs are going to have a toxic culture.
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David 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | And so you should be. That's outrageous and needs to be vigorously opposed. That call for his head for "giving a reference", though, is a rather "four legs good, two legs bad" response - it also isn't what wpt was posting about in the op. There is much, much more to this than the "character reference" - indeed, on a proper view, it's a trivial sideshow, as the 4 Corners episode discloses. |
Fair enough – perhaps I need to read/hear a little more about the case, as I haven't been following it closely. So far, the references are the only thing being brought up in the few newspaper articles I've read about this. Generally I have very little tolerance for elite institutions seeking to subvert justice in order to protect their own reputation, and if that's happened here then they absolutely deserve what's coming to them.
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| David wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | And so you should be. That's outrageous and needs to be vigorously opposed. That call for his head for "giving a reference", though, is a rather "four legs good, two legs bad" response - it also isn't what wpt was posting about in the op. There is much, much more to this than the "character reference" - indeed, on a proper view, it's a trivial sideshow, as the 4 Corners episode discloses. |
Fair enough – perhaps I need to read/hear a little more about the case, as I haven't been following it closely. So far, the references are the only thing being brought up in the few newspaper articles I've read about this. Generally I have very little tolerance for elite institutions seeking to subvert justice in order to protect their own reputation, and if that's happened here then they absolutely deserve what's coming to them. |
I just watched the 4 Corners program. It is, I think, very safe to say that people who are inclined to the view that the "character reference" did for the Principal might want to watch it, also.
That said, once you understand the wider course of conduct in relation to the case, the "character reference" takes on a far-less-defensible appearance, as well. In all the circumstances, I found myself asking the question, "How did he think that was OK?" |
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If you haven’t watched 4 Corners then you’re not in a position to provide informed comment.
It’s gobsmacking in this day and age to think the behaviour of the Principal and the so called Dean of Sport to behave the way they did was and is seen as OK.
Brave articulate boys who stood up to be counted.
Trying by association to link Robert Richter QC for defending the sexual predator because he also defended Pell is a bit of a distraction (other than the fact it is hard to be subject to a legal grilling by one of the best) when he was simply doing his job.
Well done 4 Corners.
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| David wrote: | Is this just about the character references? As with the George Pell case, I don’t really see the big deal with that, and am actually concerned that this is now seen in isolation as a form of complicity. I’ll reiterate what I wrote in the Pell thread:
| David wrote: | | just as we as a society accept that defendants are entitled to a lawyer who will argue their case, we accept that they are entitled to make a case for a less severe punishment after conviction. If that involves character references that, through describing the accused's positive attributes, indicate good chances of rehabilitation, then I think that's a legitimate part of the process, and that those who contribute such references shouldn't be attacked for doing so. |
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“John Howard and Tony Abbott rush to gates of St Kevins to offer character references”
https://m.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/john-howard-and-tony-abbott-rush-to-gates-of-st-kevins-to-offer-character-references/
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David
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Thanks P4S. Sounds like a classic case of an institution prioritising its reputation over the wellbeing of its students.
I'm all for being proud of your work and wanting an organisation to succeed, but when you're accusing internal whistleblowers of "disloyalty", you start to sound like a cult member.
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Pies4shaw
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| watt price tully wrote: | ...
Robert Richter QC for defending the sexual predator .... |
How does a volunteer school athletics coach even hire a QC? Was the school or someone else quietly helping pay for it?
It's frustrating when so many other people are frozen out of the justice system because of money. |
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| K wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | ...
Robert Richter QC for defending the sexual predator .... |
How does a volunteer school athletics coach even hire a QC? Was the school or someone else quietly helping pay for it?
It's frustrating when so many other people are frozen out of the justice system because of money. |
That's a good quesion about who funded the defence QC. However, it is an ethical question not related to the my point about the hired help.
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20/st-kevins-college-deputy-principal-asked-to-step-aside/11983118
And another one bites the dust.... |
This is intersting because as I uderstand it the legal action commenced in 2019.
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| watt price tully wrote: | ...
That's a good quesion about who funded the defence QC. However, it is an ethical question not related to the my point about the hired help. |
Yes, your point was legal people are just doing their job, so media shouldn't try to associate one of their clients with another. |
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The thick plottens: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-02/st-kevins-former-teacher-allegations-referred-to-police/12016496
I expect it is all just coincidence:
"Mr Finnigan became publicly known when he gave evidence in the trial of Catholic Cardinal George Pell, as he was the St Patrick's Cathedral choir marshal at the time when two teenage choirboys were abused by Pell.
After his evidence, in which the court heard he was a strict disciplinarian and would have known if the two boys had gone missing after mass, Mr Finnigan walked past the prisoner's dock and shook Pell's hand." |
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