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ISIS jihadists encounter bacon on the hoof.  
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Iraqi forces retake the ancient city of Hatra from ISIS.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39726244
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Just saw photos of the Iraq PM touring Mosul.
What a shit hole. The joint is basically destroyed.
First priority needs to be, once those rats are exterminated, to get building. Get habitable housing and infrastructure and take the bulldozers to most of what's left.
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I've always enjoyed reading Scott Atran's work on this topic. One of the few academics who's always remained credible.
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Interesting map showing ISIS' decline.
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That is good news
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I'll read the article later, but if ISIL is actually beaten, the priority has to turn to rebuilding.
ISIL have trashed everything like a bunch of drunk kids in a gold coast hotel room. If it's left to the government there to rebuild, we'll just have to fight them again in 10 years.
Send in the army engineers and get private industry involved. Give them tax breaks or something but it's going to cost billions.
Cities need to be built / re-built along with utilites. Water and electricity.
Basic Agriculture needs to be set up, something to get food.
Schools, places of business, space to create an economy, get locals working and earning an income with stuff to spend it on.
basically rebuild a country. Yes it will be expensive, but the cost is less than war and once you've got the place set up, refugees have an option to choose to go home to a decent life.
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| With ISIS beaten, the Iraqi's have called in Iran to clean up the Kurdish independence movement. Sad. |
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| stui magpie wrote: | I'll read the article later, but if ISIL is actually beaten, the priority has to turn to rebuilding.
ISIL have trashed everything like a bunch of drunk kids in a gold coast hotel room. If it's left to the government there to rebuild, we'll just have to fight them again in 10 years.
Send in the army engineers and get private industry involved. Give them tax breaks or something but it's going to cost billions.
Cities need to be built / re-built along with utilites. Water and electricity.
Basic Agriculture needs to be set up, something to get food.
Schools, places of business, space to create an economy, get locals working and earning an income with stuff to spend it on.
basically rebuild a country. Yes it will be expensive, but the cost is less than war and once you've got the place set up, refugees have an option to choose to go home to a decent life. |
All true, but if the money is to come from outside Iraq I suspect you’d need an entirely different governance structure to have any chance of effectiveness. The billions that were poured into Iraq after the 2003 war seem to have had almost no discernible effect.
Like democracy, development and institutional solidity cannot be imposed from outside : a people have to fight for them, learn to value them, and settle upon them.
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