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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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| woftam wrote: | | frankiboy wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | frankiboy wrote: | | Only when we lose.. of course when we win, we can bench press 3 times our bodyweight and outrun a bus load of Kenyans |
Yeah but we can only out run them cos they're pushing the bus.  |
hehe, I just had a flashback of wacky races and that gangster mob with their foot powered sedan  |
Ahhhh yes the Anthill mob.  |
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Raw Hammer
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Our skills and goal kicking are as bad at the start of each match as they are at the end.
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thompsoc
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1. Is it because we spend so much time flooding back that by the 4th quarter we are stuffed?
2. They say Port have really been fanatical in the pre season about fitness I will be definitely watching them!
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Big Dan
Joined: 12 Jun 2006
Location: The Outside World
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Are you guys all serious? The fitness base is pretty damn high. Goal kicking on Friday night was woeful (for thise shots that were taken in front of goal). Check out the last 3 seasons, Collingwood tends to maintain the same pressure throughout where as the lesser sides fall away towards then end of the year.
Let's all not compare Geelong & St Kilda to Collingwood - those two sides are in the peak of their powers, the Pies are on the cusp (doesn't mean we will win a flag, just should improve).
All the hard work was done in the 3rd quarter, if that was capitalised on, the game would have been a winner and we would all be saying the side if full of Charles Atlas clones - we lost, and we vent. |
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Monco Matt 
Do it to THEM before THEY do it to YOU
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
Location: Sittin, Drinkin, Reloadin & Waitin
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^ Goal kicking is a skill like any other. You take Travis Cloke and give him 20 kicks at goal at training and he will split the middle 90% of the time. You give him the same 20 shots during a game of football and he converts 40% of the time. Is that because he is fresh at training but tired in a game situation? Fitness? Or is it pressure causing this? Is it something else?
Their running capacity is fantastic, but does tirednees that comes from playing a St.Kilds affect our skills as the game goes on? Our second half conversion was alot worse than our first half.
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Doc63
Joined: 06 May 2004
Location: Newport
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| I think our fitness level is OK, but this whole Arizona thing is a complete wank. If it was any good, more clubs would be doing it. |
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mackasmatt
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Location: Perth, WA
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Can't imagine us getting better at set shots once fatigue has set in.. so maybe true. We needed to compensate by kicking/delivering the better scoring areas.
We started by bombing into the 50, then giving ourselves scoring options in the pockets. Either way it didn't work and more heat should be on Buckley/Rocca to fix the forward line situation.
Dawes, Jack, Rusling, Davis, Cloke, Medders, all need to come into it.. we could be so damaging.
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Wokko 
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Muscle memory is the important thing, kick thousands of set shots in practice and even during fatigue the motion will be the same. While fatigue will increase the chance of error, having the extra fitness counts for nothing if the action is incorrect in the first place.
Also, if fatigue is the problem how come players miss there first shots as often as their last ones? |
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Harrysz
Joined: 15 Oct 2001
Location: Melbourne
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The game was blown apart in the first 10 minutes of the last quarter.
Our players had had plenty of interchanges and had just come back from the 3 quarter time break.
It's unlikely that fitness was an issue at that stage. |
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Prometheus 
Joined: 21 May 2007
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| Quote: | | I think our fitness level is OK, but this whole Arizona thing is a complete wank. If it was any good, more clubs would be doing it. |
I think that could be a fair point.
When training at high altitude , the body reacts by increasing the mass of red blood cells in the blood. Red blood cells transport oxygen.
Proponents claim that when such athletes travel to competitions at lower altitudes they will still have a higher concentration of red blood cells for 10-14 days and this gives them a competitive advantage. Some athletes live permanently at high altitude, only returning to sea level to compete, but their training may suffer due to less available oxygen for workouts.
So , unless you spend alot of time in an altitude simulation tent, altitude simulation room when you get back to sea level , the benefits of high altitude training are quickly lost.
Now ... instead of spending hours in a altitude simulation room , maybe our players are better served by using this time to improve their kicking and shots at goal. |
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johnybravo87 
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: Melbourne
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| Prometheus wrote: | | Quote: | | I think our fitness level is OK, but this whole Arizona thing is a complete wank. If it was any good, more clubs would be doing it. |
I think that could be a fair point.
When training at high altitude , the body reacts by increasing the mass of red blood cells in the blood. Red blood cells transport oxygen.
Proponents claim that when such athletes travel to competitions at lower altitudes they will still have a higher concentration of red blood cells for 10-14 days and this gives them a competitive advantage. Some athletes live permanently at high altitude, only returning to sea level to compete, but their training may suffer due to less available oxygen for workouts.
So , unless you spend alot of time in an altitude simulation tent, altitude simulation room when you get back to sea level , the benefits of high altitude training are quickly lost.
Now ... instead of spending hours in a altitude simulation room , maybe our players are better served by using this time to improve their kicking and shots at goal. |
i think the major benefit of altitude is that it allows a greater physiological stress without the associated mechanical load on the body, thus what we can achieve at altitude in 10 days may take a 3-4 weeks at sea level.
but back to the original post...no it isnt the fitness, we have no issues running out games. the issue we have is putting the ball through the 2 big sticks.
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
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Not sure about the fitness but when's the last time we had a hamstring injury at the club?
Don't wont to mozz us but our fitness and conditioning staff seem to be doing better than average in stopping our players suffering that common injury.
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