Labor - The Bad, The Ugly and the occasional Good.

[lazzadesilva]

Hey you whipper snapper 🤭 you are an example of wisdom wasted on the young 😎 As I have always said (having endured/suffered/survived both sides of political governments in my career as a social worker in the Vic public service), I can confidently confirm that they are twins of each other in practice although they pretend to have different sides in their political views. It’s all a facade into fooling the masses that they do it better than whoever the opposition is at that time. People believe this because they want to be active in a “cause” but don’t realise that in the end, the path often leads to more people getting lost in the process or suffering system abuse for years. In simple terms, the ultimate goal of both sides is the same, that being in a position to wield Power, control and influence over people in the guise of helping them survive the situations the government has brought about themselves. It is an infinite cycle (of living a lie and let living a lie) that has no end in our current system of politics and government.

[Culprit]

^^Conspiracy Theory 101. Next, you will tell everyone you don't vote as you don't trust anyone and we need Donald Trump.

[David]

https://johnmenadue.com/shiver-runs-up-and-breaks-the-labor-spine/

[What'sinaname]

More Victoria soft on crime.

14 year old bailed on a Nov attack pushed an elderly person into the Bay.

[David]

Worth keeping in mind that remand isn't a punishment in its own right, so it has nothing to do with being "tough" or "soft". It's a decision to be made based on an assessment of the person's danger to the community. Seems to me they pretty obviously made the right call.

[stui magpie]

^^

What would you do? Lock up a 14 year old?

The old bloke is alive and well, no help from the young dickhead who pushed him into the water, but why would you refuse bail?

[What'sinaname]

[David]

^ First of all I assume it'd be juvie, not adult prison, so it'll be what it'll be.

Either way, my preference is rather than using it as a place to beat some sense into him – who knows, maybe he's already been getting plenty of that at home and elsewhere – that these places can actually be used for their rehabilitative function. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be fixing many problems at present, particularly for young offenders.

[What'sinaname]

Two 16 year olds charged with the murder of the doctor.

Let's just wait and see if they are repeat offenders or on bail.

[Culprit]

One has never been caught (the first time in custody) and looks like the other has a nice record. The one with the record refused to have his parents in attendance. It's an Adult Crime and that's what they should face. In saying that I don't think that is what Victoria's legal system has available.

[What'sinaname]

Hopefully they are remanded in custody. Filth like that don't deserve to be free.

[stui magpie]

They killed someone, they need to wear consequences, but I'd want to know a whole lot more about their backgrounds and upbringings before I'd call for extreme penalties.

[Culprit]

Jail should always be the last choice and in saying that how do you punish 16-year-olds for Murder? The worst-case scenario as an adult would be 25 years in jail, which means they are out when they are 41 but they will not go to trial as adults. They will go to trial as 16-year-olds and I cannot remember a 16-year-old being convicted of Murder in Victoria in my lifetime. Whatever the outcome it's a very sad situation. Working with young in my area, many just don't see a future and they see robberies as quick cash and good for their social media.

[What'sinaname]

^ lock a few up so they don't have their phones and social media and they faux tough guys might just stop being dickheads.

[Culprit]