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[quote="MardyP"]As long as he doesn't do this stuff in the pool...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZyOxq4M33s[/url][/quote]
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I have been forced to concede that while Scott Pendlebury is a first class gun, surely a 10 year+ player for the Magpies, I can't see him taking out the Rising Star award this year.
I watched Joel Selwood play for Geelong over Adelaide today, and I swear I had my jaw flapping open in amazement at times. Have had similar reactions in other games I've seen him. Don't forget also, he's a first year player - Pendlebury is in his second. If we'd had a crack at Selwood in the draft, we'd have a few less clearance problems in the midfield - he had nine of them against Adelaide and his disposal is first class. Tough as nails, too.
I think Jake Niall has it about right in this piece.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/joel-selwood-follows-judd/2007/08/12/1186857346978.html
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Zakal
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Pendlebury lost the award when he broke his foot.
Rising Star is a Short-memories award and no matter what Pendles did for the first 11 rounds, he was always going to be fighting an uphill battle against a player who had had a better second half.
Despite still leading every stat that counts (despite being injured)...he won't win.
Interestingly re Selwood though, the word was we wern't going to take him even if he fell thru to 8. Heard that a few days before the draft, and i couldnt for the life of me figure out why....but the rumour at the time was that the Doctors examined his knees and the verdict was they were degenerative, and that the state they were in now was as good as they were ever going to get.
Not really an expert on that stuff myself though....all i see is a brilliant footballer who would have slotted in next Pendles and Daisy quite nicely. |
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Selwood has been unbelievable in his first season, looks and plays like a mature 50+ gamer. Strength, poise and the kid has talent in spades.
Would love him at Collingwood, (oh the foibles of the draft), he is just the type of player we are lacking at the moment. |
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| I dunno, seeing how poorly we have played without him might show how important he is. If he comes back this week & we win by 10 goals he may still be a chance!! |
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Zakal
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I think we becry not getting Selwood now....but I think its a decision that wont so much be vindicated, but one which we will become more at peace with as time goes on.
KPP's are FAR harder to pickup than midfielders. Who was the last superstar KPP drafted by a side? Travis Cloke and Lance Franklin back in 2004. Since then we've had the classy midfidlers of Deledio, Polo, Rosa, Selwood, Pendlebury, Thomas, Murphy, Higgins, Jesse Smith, and even Petterd looks extremely good.
And it will probably turn out, that in time we realise that we were far luckier to get Ben Reid or Nathan Brown than we were unlucky to miss out on Selwood. Even though Selwood looks to be the far better player (so far), there will he plenty more talented midfielders to bob up over our rebuilding phase. |
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Mugwump
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| Zakal wrote: | I think we becry not getting Selwood now....but I think its a decision that wont so much be vindicated, but one which we will become more at peace with as time goes on.
KPP's are FAR harder to pickup than midfielders. Who was the last superstar KPP drafted by a side? Travis Cloke and Lance Franklin back in 2004. Since then we've had the classy midfidlers of Deledio, Polo, Rosa, Selwood, Pendlebury, Thomas, Murphy, Higgins, Jesse Smith, and even Petterd looks extremely good.
And it will probably turn out, that in time we realise that we were far luckier to get Ben Reid or Nathan Brown than we were unlucky to miss out on Selwood. Even though Selwood looks to be the far better player (so far), there will he plenty more talented midfielders to bob up over our rebuilding phase. |
I'm not so sure about that Zakal - Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Selwood, Ablett - you need both, but the greatest players and teams tend to be ultra-classy in the midfield. It's a unique skill involving stamina, reflex speed, anticipation and vision. KPPs matter but I'm not convinced that they are harder to find than great clearance players.
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Zakal wrote: | I think we becry not getting Selwood now....but I think its a decision that wont so much be vindicated, but one which we will become more at peace with as time goes on.
KPP's are FAR harder to pickup than midfielders. Who was the last superstar KPP drafted by a side? Travis Cloke and Lance Franklin back in 2004. Since then we've had the classy midfidlers of Deledio, Polo, Rosa, Selwood, Pendlebury, Thomas, Murphy, Higgins, Jesse Smith, and even Petterd looks extremely good.
And it will probably turn out, that in time we realise that we were far luckier to get Ben Reid or Nathan Brown than we were unlucky to miss out on Selwood. Even though Selwood looks to be the far better player (so far), there will he plenty more talented midfielders to bob up over our rebuilding phase. |
I'm not so sure about that Zakal - Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Selwood, Ablett - you need both, but the greatest players and teams tend to be ultra-classy in the midfield. It's a unique skill involving stamina, reflex speed, anticipation and vision. KPPs matter but I'm not convinced that they are harder to find than great clearance players. |
Oh im not saying you dont need both...just that when you are rebuilding a team to a schedule, with only a certain number of picks per year, you need to time your run in terms of what players you pick when. We are still a few years away from our finishing our rebuild, and KPPs take longer...we happen to have had a draft that had a plethora of them...so we take them now. Id have to go over the draft lists more closely, but i still reckon an assertion that midfielders (even the clearance winning ones) are easier to come across than superstar KPPs.
Since 2001 we have seen the following:
KPPs:
Hansen, Seaby and Campbell Brown (hardly superstars, but the only thing 2001 really had to offer)
Goddard
McIntosh (?)
Staker (?)
Ryan Murphy (?)
Roughead
Franklin
T.Cloke
N.Ablett (?)
Patty Ryder
Mids
Hodge
Ball
Judd
Bartel(same draft, all super clearance players)
Dal Santo
Sam Mitchell
Gary Ablett Jnr
(Schnieder and Swan? do they count?)
Wells
Jobe Watson
Cooney
Adcock
H.Shaw
Tuck
Deledio
Polo (?)
Rosa (?)
Jesse W Smith
Murphy
Thomas
Pendlebury
Higgins
Gibbs (on hype alone)
Selwood
Petterd (injury makes him a suspect inclusion, but was very good prior)
Thats a grand total of 24 to 9.
Now there were a few names that were unlucky to miss out, but i was trying to keep the list as close to players who were or were likley to become superstars. Anyone with a question mark is suspect, anyone not included even more so. Sylvia and McLean have been great, but im not sure of the chances of either being a superstar. And in light of that, should really delete the names of Hansen, Brown, Seaby and McIntosh from the list of KPPs as i was so desperate to find SOMETHING, i included their names because they were tall. the latter 3 are ruckmen, only 2 are any good, and only 1 is really good and Hansen is hardly a superstar. (Neither are Schneider or Swan)
The only real 'superstar' KPPs to emerge over the 6 years are Cloke, Franklin, Goddard Roughead, Ryder in that order. And Ryder is lucky to make the list.
Compare that to the 2001 draft for mids alone. Hodge, Ball, Judd, Bartel, Dal Santo, Mitchell, Ablett....thats more in one year than there have been good KPPs in the last 6 years combined.
...btw i chose 2001 as that is as far back as AFL.com.au has "full draft lists" for...im not about to go hunting thru every clubs draft page just to padd the KPPs list by including Reiwoldt from 2000, because even then i know that Didak, Kerr, Coughlan, Kane Cornes and Byrgoyne were also taken that year so it would further skew the results in favour of the mids. |
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| Zakal wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Zakal wrote: | I think we becry not getting Selwood now....but I think its a decision that wont so much be vindicated, but one which we will become more at peace with as time goes on.
KPP's are FAR harder to pickup than midfielders. Who was the last superstar KPP drafted by a side? Travis Cloke and Lance Franklin back in 2004. Since then we've had the classy midfidlers of Deledio, Polo, Rosa, Selwood, Pendlebury, Thomas, Murphy, Higgins, Jesse Smith, and even Petterd looks extremely good.
And it will probably turn out, that in time we realise that we were far luckier to get Ben Reid or Nathan Brown than we were unlucky to miss out on Selwood. Even though Selwood looks to be the far better player (so far), there will he plenty more talented midfielders to bob up over our rebuilding phase. |
I'm not so sure about that Zakal - Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Selwood, Ablett - you need both, but the greatest players and teams tend to be ultra-classy in the midfield. It's a unique skill involving stamina, reflex speed, anticipation and vision. KPPs matter but I'm not convinced that they are harder to find than great clearance players. |
Oh im not saying you dont need both...just that when you are rebuilding a team to a schedule, with only a certain number of picks per year, you need to time your run in terms of what players you pick when. We are still a few years away from our finishing our rebuild, and KPPs take longer...we happen to have had a draft that had a plethora of them...so we take them now. Id have to go over the draft lists more closely, but i still reckon an assertion that midfielders (even the clearance winning ones) are easier to come across than superstar KPPs.
Since 2001 we have seen the following:
KPPs:
Hansen, Seaby and Campbell Brown (hardly superstars, but the only thing 2001 really had to offer)
Goddard
McIntosh (?)
Staker (?)
Ryan Murphy (?)
Roughead
Franklin
T.Cloke
N.Ablett (?)
Patty Ryder
Mids
Hodge
Ball
Judd
Bartel(same draft, all super clearance players)
Dal Santo
Sam Mitchell
Gary Ablett Jnr
(Schnieder and Swan? do they count?)
Wells
Jobe Watson
Cooney
Adcock
H.Shaw
Tuck
Deledio
Polo (?)
Rosa (?)
Jesse W Smith
Murphy
Thomas
Pendlebury
Higgins
Gibbs (on hype alone)
Selwood
Petterd (injury makes him a suspect inclusion, but was very good prior)
Thats a grand total of 24 to 9.
Now there were a few names that were unlucky to miss out, but i was trying to keep the list as close to players who were or were likley to become superstars. Anyone with a question mark is suspect, anyone not included even more so. Sylvia and McLean have been great, but im not sure of the chances of either being a superstar. And in light of that, should really delete the names of Hansen, Brown, Seaby and McIntosh from the list of KPPs as i was so desperate to find SOMETHING, i included their names because they were tall. the latter 3 are ruckmen, only 2 are any good, and only 1 is really good and Hansen is hardly a superstar. (Neither are Schneider or Swan)
The only real 'superstar' KPPs to emerge over the 6 years are Cloke, Franklin, Goddard Roughead, Ryder in that order. And Ryder is lucky to make the list.
Compare that to the 2001 draft for mids alone. Hodge, Ball, Judd, Bartel, Dal Santo, Mitchell, Ablett....thats more in one year than there have been good KPPs in the last 6 years combined.
...btw i chose 2001 as that is as far back as AFL.com.au has "full draft lists" for...im not about to go hunting thru every clubs draft page just to padd the KPPs list by including Reiwoldt from 2000, because even then i know that Didak, Kerr, Coughlan, Kane Cornes and Byrgoyne were also taken that year so it would further skew the results in favour of the mids. |
Ok - that's data and I only had impressions. I know when I'm licked. Nice post - you know your football ! Still cannot explain why it seems to me that Collingwood have found strong KPPs (Rocca, Cloke, Presti, Clement) more easily than we have outstanding midfielders. Have we been lulled into false draft security because of Buckley ?
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| Zakal wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Zakal wrote: | I think we becry not getting Selwood now....but I think its a decision that wont so much be vindicated, but one which we will become more at peace with as time goes on.
KPP's are FAR harder to pickup than midfielders. Who was the last superstar KPP drafted by a side? Travis Cloke and Lance Franklin back in 2004. Since then we've had the classy midfidlers of Deledio, Polo, Rosa, Selwood, Pendlebury, Thomas, Murphy, Higgins, Jesse Smith, and even Petterd looks extremely good.
And it will probably turn out, that in time we realise that we were far luckier to get Ben Reid or Nathan Brown than we were unlucky to miss out on Selwood. Even though Selwood looks to be the far better player (so far), there will he plenty more talented midfielders to bob up over our rebuilding phase. |
I'm not so sure about that Zakal - Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Selwood, Ablett - you need both, but the greatest players and teams tend to be ultra-classy in the midfield. It's a unique skill involving stamina, reflex speed, anticipation and vision. KPPs matter but I'm not convinced that they are harder to find than great clearance players. |
Oh im not saying you dont need both...just that when you are rebuilding a team to a schedule, with only a certain number of picks per year, you need to time your run in terms of what players you pick when. We are still a few years away from our finishing our rebuild, and KPPs take longer...we happen to have had a draft that had a plethora of them...so we take them now. Id have to go over the draft lists more closely, but i still reckon an assertion that midfielders (even the clearance winning ones) are easier to come across than superstar KPPs.
Since 2001 we have seen the following:
KPPs:
Hansen, Seaby and Campbell Brown (hardly superstars, but the only thing 2001 really had to offer)
Goddard
McIntosh (?)
Staker (?)
Ryan Murphy (?)
Roughead
Franklin
T.Cloke
N.Ablett (?)
Patty Ryder
Mids
Hodge
Ball
Judd
Bartel(same draft, all super clearance players)
Dal Santo
Sam Mitchell
Gary Ablett Jnr
(Schnieder and Swan? do they count?)
Wells
Jobe Watson
Cooney
Adcock
H.Shaw
Tuck
Deledio
Polo (?)
Rosa (?)
Jesse W Smith
Murphy
Thomas
Pendlebury
Higgins
Gibbs (on hype alone)
Selwood
Petterd (injury makes him a suspect inclusion, but was very good prior)
Thats a grand total of 24 to 9.
Now there were a few names that were unlucky to miss out, but i was trying to keep the list as close to players who were or were likley to become superstars. Anyone with a question mark is suspect, anyone not included even more so. Sylvia and McLean have been great, but im not sure of the chances of either being a superstar. And in light of that, should really delete the names of Hansen, Brown, Seaby and McIntosh from the list of KPPs as i was so desperate to find SOMETHING, i included their names because they were tall. the latter 3 are ruckmen, only 2 are any good, and only 1 is really good and Hansen is hardly a superstar. (Neither are Schneider or Swan)
The only real 'superstar' KPPs to emerge over the 6 years are Cloke, Franklin, Goddard Roughead, Ryder in that order. And Ryder is lucky to make the list.
Compare that to the 2001 draft for mids alone. Hodge, Ball, Judd, Bartel, Dal Santo, Mitchell, Ablett....thats more in one year than there have been good KPPs in the last 6 years combined.
...btw i chose 2001 as that is as far back as AFL.com.au has "full draft lists" for...im not about to go hunting thru every clubs draft page just to padd the KPPs list by including Reiwoldt from 2000, because even then i know that Didak, Kerr, Coughlan, Kane Cornes and Byrgoyne were also taken that year so it would further skew the results in favour of the mids. |
Ok - that's data and I only had impressions. I know when I'm licked. Nice post - you know your football ! Still cannot explain why it seems to me that Collingwood have found strong KPPs (Rocca, Cloke, Presti, Clement) more easily than we have outstanding midfielders. Have we been lulled into false draft security because of Buckley ?
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| Mugwump wrote: | [quote="Zakal"][quote="Mugwump"][quote="Zakal"]I think we becry not getting Selwood now....but I think its a decision that wont so much be vindicated, but one which we will become more at peace with as time goes on.
KPP's are FAR harder to pickup than midfielders. Who was the last superstar KPP drafted by a side? Travis Cloke and Lance Franklin back in 2004. Since then we've had the classy midfidlers of Deledio, Polo, Rosa, Selwood, Pendlebury, Thomas, Murphy, Higgins, Jesse Smith, and even Petterd looks extremely good.
And it will probably turn out, that in time we realise that we were far luckier to get Ben Reid or Nathan Brown than we were unlucky to miss out on Selwood. Even though Selwood looks to be the far better player (so far), there will he plenty more talented midfielders to bob up over our rebuilding phase.[/quote]
I'm not so sure about that Zakal - Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Selwood, Ablett - you need both, but the greatest players and teams tend to be ultra-classy in the midfield. It's a unique skill involving stamina, reflex speed, anticipation and vision. KPPs matter but I'm not convinced that they are harder to find than great clearance players.[/quote]
Oh im not saying you dont need both...just that when you are rebuilding a team to a schedule, with only a certain number of picks per year, you need to time your run in terms of what players you pick when. We are still a few years away from our finishing our rebuild, and KPPs take longer...we happen to have had a draft that had a plethora of them...so we take them now. Id have to go over the draft lists more closely, but i still reckon an assertion that midfielders (even the clearance winning ones) are easier to come across than superstar KPPs.
Since 2001 we have seen the following:
[b]KPPs:[/b]
Hansen, Seaby and Campbell Brown (hardly superstars, but the only thing 2001 really had to offer)
Goddard
McIntosh (?)
Staker (?)
Ryan Murphy (?)
Roughead
Franklin
T.Cloke
N.Ablett (?)
Patty Ryder
[b]Mids[/b]
Hodge
Ball
Judd
Bartel(same draft, all super clearance players)
Dal Santo
Sam Mitchell
Gary Ablett Jnr
(Schnieder and Swan? do they count?)
Wells
Jobe Watson
Cooney
Adcock
H.Shaw
Tuck
Deledio
Polo (?)
Rosa (?)
Jesse W Smith
Murphy
Thomas
Pendlebury
Higgins
Gibbs (on hype alone)
Selwood
Petterd (injury makes him a suspect inclusion, but was very good prior)
Thats a grand total of 24 to 9.
Now there were a few names that were unlucky to miss out, but i was trying to keep the list as close to players who were or were likley to become superstars. Anyone with a question mark is suspect, anyone not included even more so. Sylvia and McLean have been great, but im not sure of the chances of either being a superstar. And in light of that, should really delete the names of Hansen, Brown, Seaby and McIntosh from the list of KPPs as i was so desperate to find SOMETHING, i included their names because they were tall. the latter 3 are ruckmen, only 2 are any good, and only 1 is really good and Hansen is hardly a superstar. (Neither are Schneider or Swan)
The only real 'superstar' KPPs to emerge over the 6 years are Cloke, Franklin, Goddard Roughead, Ryder in that order. And Ryder is lucky to make the list.
Compare that to the 2001 draft for mids alone. Hodge, Ball, Judd, Bartel, Dal Santo, Mitchell, Ablett....thats more in one year than there have been good KPPs in the last 6 years combined.
...btw i chose 2001 as that is as far back as AFL.com.au has "full draft lists" for...im not about to go hunting thru every clubs draft page just to padd the KPPs list by including Reiwoldt from 2000, because even then i know that Didak, Kerr, Coughlan, Kane Cornes and Byrgoyne were also taken that year so it would further skew the results in favour of the mids.[/quote]
Ok - that's data and I only had impressions. I know when I'm licked. Nice post - you know your football ! Still cannot explain why it seems to me that Collingwood have found strong KPPs (Rocca, Cloke, Presti, Clement) more easily than we have outstanding midfielders. Have we been lulled into false draft security because of Buckley ? |
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