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jackcass 
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| thompsoc wrote: | | loki04 wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | I think. Or hope, on what we've seen, that we'd have selected Stewart ahead of Ramsay. That's what would have been needed after all was done. GWS bid with 27, we take Stewart with our next pick at 38.
However, as Hine said, we had a lot of uncertainty about our picks in that draft as we were active at the trade table. Would we have pick 38? We just didn't know. If we'd committed to Stewart would one of our deals have fallen through? Would we have been forced to take Stewart ahead of Broomhead, Grundy or Kennedy? I think there was just too much risk involved. |
You can nominate him and then not match a bid if you didnt think he was rated at the pick.
Clearly Hine did NOT rate him, silly not to at least nominate whos to say with us nominating if gws would of bid with 27?
was a stuff up on clubs behalf. |
So what you are saying is that we could have nominated him
as a 2nd round pick and if gws nominated a prior second round pick
we then would have to match it with our 2nd round pick at this exact point.
in this case pick 27. |
We nominate without specifying a pick, then have the discretion to match a bid or opt out. |
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HAL
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John Wren 
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agree about gault. i was referring to stewart's game vs western welfare. his game was good but many of their young guys had good games.
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| Presti35 wrote: | Come back to this thread in say three years. We passed on Jake Kelly too. Sometimes you have to pass on the FS.
We're about to get Moore, but at what cost? |
Most are suggesting Moore is a top 10 or so pick anyway so I guess whatever pick we're using seems to be just about right according to the experts.
But I agree it would be good to comeback to this thread in the future, one game against the Dogs isn't entirely convincing for me just yet.
But good luck to him though if he becomes a champion at the Giants well and good, the draft is a gamble a lot of the time sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
It's a shame you have to bid now for FS players though, still as I said before not a fan of this at all.
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HAL
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| HAL wrote: | | I don't have to do whatever you say. I have my own free will. |
So you've finally become self aware? I think we're in trouble boys... shoot to kill!!
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stui magpie 
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| loki04 wrote: |
Stewart much higher ceiling then Gault, is more agile, better skilled and quicker. |
Very much remains to be seen I think.
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Albert Parker
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| John Wren wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | From memory we went with Ramsay on what would have been the Stewart pick.
One's a 6ft back pocket the others a 6ft 6 forward.
Hmmm... I don't know if Hine thought that one through too well. |
that draft we snared grundy, kennedy and broomhead. gws took stewart with pick 27, ramsay was next taken with pick 38.
would stewart really gave been ahead of the first three picked? |
Thanks for pointing out some facts and logic instead of the idiotic, find the negatives without supporting evidence, views offered by some.
WB's defence has offered up bags of goals to key forwards this year. Stewart enjoyed his time against them too.
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AN_Inkling
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| loki04 wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | I think. Or hope, on what we've seen, that we'd have selected Stewart ahead of Ramsay. That's what would have been needed after all was done. GWS bid with 27, we take Stewart with our next pick at 38.
However, as Hine said, we had a lot of uncertainty about our picks in that draft as we were active at the trade table. Would we have pick 38? We just didn't know. If we'd committed to Stewart would one of our deals have fallen through? Would we have been forced to take Stewart ahead of Broomhead, Grundy or Kennedy? I think there was just too much risk involved. |
You can nominate him and then not match a bid if you didnt think he was rated at the pick.
Clearly Hine did NOT rate him, silly not to at least nominate whos to say with us nominating if gws would of bid with 27?
was a stuff up on clubs behalf. |
I tend to agree, but I'd put it much more mildly as there were complications. We wanted to be active at the trade table, so potentially locking a pick up would have been dangerous. We ended up trading most of our picks. We also had to upgrade Marley Williams from the Rookie list. I'm sure it wouldn't have been that difficult to find a late pick somewhere, but you do also need to think about list numbers as well.
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inxs88
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A small point but Nathan last night deflected the recruitment of James Stewart to Hine securing Marsh and Langdon and Ed on SEN said the same thing today but more along the lines of our securing of Scharenberg and Freeman.
Nathan and Ed!! James Stewart was selected by GWS in 2012 and this is his second season with the Giants! As such the query is this:
GWS nominated him with pick 27 in the 2012 draft. We picked Ramsay (183 cm) with pick 38. Couldn't have we used this actual pick for Stewart given both Kennedy and Broomhead are 175cm and 183cm respectively. Combined with the Grundy pick would have given us much more height balance!!
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thompsoc
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James Stewart was a second round pick
and so was Ramsay. Grundy , Broomhead and Kennedy were round 1.
So by forgoing Ramsay we could have picked up Stewart.
But the problem was we never nominated our interest
in Stewart under the f/s rule. Hence, we had no advantage
As said by one other nickster.
Hine did not rate him - full stop.
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Pies4shaw 
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At the time, most of the pundits had him being taken somewhere in the late part of the draft, after pick 50. Hine didn't rate him, obviously, but GWS did, for some reason. Maybe they were right, maybe not. At the moment, he's played 4 games. He kicked three goals in his most recent outing - but they are the only 3 goals he's kicked (he played the week before against Collingwood and no-one much was calling his non-recruitment a mistake after that indifferent outing).
Let's see first whether he ever has a 3-goal or better game against a decent side (not Footscray, who are notorious for their lack of key position players at both ends of the ground) before we get too stressed about this. |
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inxs88
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agreed
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Bob Sugar
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He kicked 3 goals against the Bulldogs FFS, who cares?
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Az
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| Let's not forget he hasn't forced himself into their senior team. I gather the only reason he's been able to crack a game lately is because of Patton and Cameron being injured. Once they are back up and cracking, he'll again be forced back into the magoos. If GWS manage to hang on to their 3 big talls, expect he'll be looking for a new home in the near future along with McCarthy and Jaksh. |
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