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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | K wrote: | | I don't know how doing something after eight years of carnage could be described as a knee-jerk reaction... |
The phrase is being applied to you, not the club. ... |
No, it's not. Why don't you go back and read what was written? It was David who said it first in this thread. Whether you agree with him or not, it had nothing to do with me. (And eight years is still eight years, regardless.)
The last sentence of your post is pure fantasy. |
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David 
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I thought it was obvious enough, but I guess not – what I meant that the best-case scenario for the pushers of this petition is that the club actually takes notice of it and give into the pressure by taking swift action to implement the campaign’s demand. That would, of course, constitute a knee-jerk response, no longer how long the "problem" has been around for. And personally, I don’t think that would be a particularly useful outcome in this case.
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PyreneesPie 
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| David wrote: | | I thought it was obvious enough, but I guess not – what I meant that the best-case scenario for the pushers of this petition is that the club actually takes notice of it and give into the pressure by taking swift action to implement the campaign’s demand. That would, of course, constitute a knee-jerk response, no longer how long the "problem" has been around for. And personally, I don’t think that would be a particularly useful outcome in this case. |
Can't agree with you David. 
First of all, a quick response is not necessarily a poor outcome, just because (outwardly anyway) it's a quick one That's a faulty generalization.
The club may/may not have been beavering away at trying to do something about the injuries and could be at the point where it's about to seek external help anyway. We, its supporters wouldn't know, because despite the means available to keep us accurately informed, the club just likes to feed us fluffy/feel good stuff. |
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| David wrote: | | ... is that the club actually takes notice of it and give into the pressure by taking swift action to implement the campaign’s demand. That would, of course, constitute a knee-jerk response, .... |
Well, I disagree with your views about an external review, but you have confirmed that you were of course referring to the club with your (ill-founded) "knee-jerk" talk.
You kind of want it both ways. You say the rank and file can have zero effect on anything the club does, but then say the risk would be some extreme negative action by the club.
You, on the other hand, are pushing at least one political cause, without worrying that a certain foreign government (or two) won't take notice of you, or that the foreign government will have a knee-jerk response and (for example) kill the subject of your political cause (or hire him as their chief of propaganda). |
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PyreneesPie
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| K wrote: |
You kind of want it both ways. You say the rank and file can have zero effect on anything the club does, but then say the risk would be some extreme negative action by the club.
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K, this is spot on, IMHO.
Also, as an aside, it seems to be an interesting facet of both forums like this and perhaps society in general, that those who get off their bums in an attempt to rectify a plainly negative situation, get sh*t canned for their efforts.  Is this because it's easier, safer option to just to sit back behind a keyboard and criticize???? |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | | Also, as an aside, it seems to be an interesting facet of both forums like this and perhaps society in general, that those who get off their bums in an attempt to rectify a plainly negative situation, get sh*t canned for their efforts. Is this because it's easier, safer option to just to sit back behind a keyboard and criticize???? |
Is signing an online petition demanding that the club do what you want "getting off your bum" or "sitting behind a keyboard criticising"?
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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| K wrote: | | The last sentence of your post is pure fantasy. |
| K wrote: | | tbaker wrote: | | PyreneesPie wrote: | ...
An external review can't hurt - ... |
Well said PP. ... As you say, a review can't hurt. ... |
I agree it can't hurt |
Sounds like you're saying that doing the review ("something", which may or may not improve the situation) would be better than not doing the review ("doing nothing" aka the staus quo)
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: |
Is signing an online petition demanding that the club do what you want "getting off your bum" or "sitting behind a keyboard criticising"? |
Dude, the petition doesn't demand or criticise. |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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| Wonka wrote: | | Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: |
Is signing an online petition demanding that the club do what you want "getting off your bum" or "sitting behind a keyboard criticising"? |
Dude, the petition doesn't demand or criticise. |
It "calls" (an appeal or demand for something to happen or be done) for the cub to undertake an external review
The club clearly doesn't think an external review is necessary or they would have done it already, so criticism of the status quo is implied if not explicitly stated
It could also be interpreted as implying that the internal review conducted by the club wasn't objective or unbiased
I note it's currently at 54 signatures, so going nowhere fast
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PyreneesPie
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: |
I note it's currently at 54 signatures, so going nowhere fast |
So why are you spending so much time and energy focusing on it?????
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
rd10.1998_11.1#36
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | | ... it seems to be an interesting facet of both forums like this and perhaps society in general, that those who get off their bums in an attempt to rectify a plainly negative situation, get sh*t canned for their efforts. Is this because it's easier, safer option to just to sit back behind a keyboard and criticize???? |
PPie, it's fear (that makes supporters attack other supporters who state even obvious things, e.g. "we have injury problems", "2019 was not a success", etc.). |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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We have injury problems. 2019 was not a success
Let's see if anyone 'attacks' me for saying that...
Still waiting to hear the conspiracy theory about why nobody at the club supports an external review. And why only 54 supporters have signed the petition.
Must be a lot of scared people out there
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
rd10.1998_11.1#36
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