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3.14159 Taurus



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:43 am
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I'd like to see Pee-wee Herman reprising an Al Pacino's character.

"Say Hello to my little friend Rudy!"
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:25 pm
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Interesting:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/11/19/hunter_bidens_burisma_post_had_a_troubling_conflict_watchdog_says_121260.html?utm_campaign=ora_player&utm_medium=ora-video-widget&utm_source=polls

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The authors, Watchdog Research principles Brian Lawe and John Cheffers, say it would be illegal in the U.S. to have an arrangement such as Hunter Biden’s – being a corporate governance monitor while also a paid consultant to company management. Federal securities law forbids anyone from serving as an independent board member if they “accept directly or indirectly any consulting, advisory, or other compensatory fee.”

“Obviously, U.S. law does not apply to a private foreign entity because that company is not subject to federal securities law,” Lawe and Cheffers write. But, they say, “by accepting ‘consulting’ payments AND board compensation, Hunter Biden was potentially breaking a cardinal rule created to promote good governance and stop corruption.”

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:14 pm
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David wrote:
Interesting:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/11/19/hunter_bidens_burisma_post_had_a_troubling_conflict_watchdog_says_121260.html?utm_campaign=ora_player&utm_medium=ora-video-widget&utm_source=polls

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The authors, Watchdog Research principles Brian Lawe and John Cheffers, say it would be illegal in the U.S. to have an arrangement such as Hunter Biden’s – being a corporate governance monitor while also a paid consultant to company management. Federal securities law forbids anyone from serving as an independent board member if they “accept directly or indirectly any consulting, advisory, or other compensatory fee.”

Obviously, U.S. law does not apply to a private foreign entity because that company is not subject to federal securities law,” Lawe and Cheffers write. But, they say, “by accepting ‘consulting’ payments AND board compensation, Hunter Biden was potentially breaking a cardinal rule created to promote good governance and stop corruption.”


are you for real?

Do you seriously think that by suggesting Hunter Biden deserved to be investigated somehow absolves your Orange Mate for what he has done?

Or are you using it to convince Biden to step down from the nomination, an action that benefits your prefered candidates Warren and Sanders?

Either way, it's a contemptible ploy on YOUR part!
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As you want to make hay from the misuse of Presidential access to secure personal and professional deals for the off-spring of Office holders, where exactly do you stand on this little gem of corruption?

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2148195/china-approves-13-new-ivanka-trump-trademarks-3

She secured those deals just a few days before she (working as an Official White-House Advisor) and her father arrived for major trade deal talks!
Or Donald Trump Knr, another official White-House Advisor using his position to secure $50,000 a night speaking Engagements at University Campuses (as much as Hunter earned in 6 months on the board of Burisa)! He was there spruiking his father's claims regarding low unemployment and the dangers of immigrants! This Party political electioneering puff piece was paid for with student Union funds!
Just Peachy!
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-jr-s-50k-visit-sparks-call-impeach-florida-n1081186

One of her Trade Marks was for a Trump-branded Electronic Voting Machine

With your intimate inside knowledge, I think you will agree that this will be a big seller in Ukraine!

I swear You can't make this stuff up!!!!
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Those Trump-branded voting machines indicate Stui Magpie maybe right about her plans to run for President in 2024
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:40 pm
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Oh, it’s absolutely all part of the same rot. I don’t see this corruption as a universally Dem/Rep thing. Unfortunately, jobs for kids is just an entrenched and normalised part of the system. Even those most critical of Hunter on the left have consistently pointed that out – the real scandal is that what he was doing was legal.

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David wrote:
Interesting:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/11/19/hunter_bidens_burisma_post_had_a_troubling_conflict_watchdog_says_121260.html?utm_campaign=ora_player&utm_medium=ora-video-widget&utm_source=polls

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The authors, Watchdog Research principles Brian Lawe and John Cheffers, say it would be illegal in the U.S. to have an arrangement such as Hunter Biden’s – being a corporate governance monitor while also a paid consultant to company management. Federal securities law forbids anyone from serving as an independent board member if they “accept directly or indirectly any consulting, advisory, or other compensatory fee.”

Obviously, U.S. law does not apply to a private foreign entity because that company is not subject to federal securities law,” Lawe and Cheffers write. But, they say, “by accepting ‘consulting’ payments AND board compensation, Hunter Biden was potentially breaking a cardinal rule created to promote good governance and stop corruption.”


are you for real?

Do you seriously think that by suggesting Hunter Biden deserved to be investigated somehow absolves your Orange Mate for what he has done?

Or are you using it to convince Biden to step down from the nomination, an action that benefits your prefered candidates Warren and Sanders?

Either way, it's a contemptible ploy on YOUR part!


Lol. I think you need to put down the kool-aid for a minute – I just thought it was an interesting piece on the unresolved question of what the hell Hunter Biden was doing in Ukraine and how legitimate it was. As far as I’m aware, realclearpolitics isn’t a partisan conservative website (I usually visit to check on the latest polling data, and saw this on the sidebar) so these seem like legitimate questions. Happy to be shown otherwise.

I would love Biden to drop out of the race, for sure, but I think it’s unlikely that he personally has a case to answer for here (between you and me, I’m not that crazy about Warren either – it’s Bernie or bust, baby! Wink). Anyway, BRB, off to hang out with my “orange mate”. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:47 pm
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I'm surprised no one has blamed Climate Change for Trump yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:58 pm
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the weakest justification for partisan mudslinging I've seen in a long while
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:18 am
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stui magpie wrote:
I'm surprised no one has blamed Climate Change for Trump yet.


They've used every 1/2 baked Conspiracy theory to try and smear EVERYONE that's giving evidence so I'm sure it won't be too long before the Repugnant Party starts blaming climate change for Trumps pending impeachment!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:26 am
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Witch hunt!
What Witch Hunt?
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/2454097294841893/UzpfSTEwMDAxNjI2NDIxMTQ4NDpWSzoyNzQ2MDY5NDMyMDk4NDMz/

The "Left" doen't know how to meme, or so I'm told!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:25 pm
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This time, this time it's over for Trump

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1197491328206213121

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:58 pm
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Forget Trump – I've never seen the sheer emptiness of US cable news captured so succinctly.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:35 pm
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The Guardian has officially lost the plot:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/21/fiona-hill-testimony-trump-impeachment-hearing

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Fiona Hill rebukes conspiracy theory – and emerges as a heroine for our times

The Russia expert’s opening statement, delivered in her north-east England accent, stood out for its bluntness

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:53 am
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Posting this in its entirety for 3.14159's benefit:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/11/hunter-biden-democrats-joe-biden-ukraine-trump

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One of the peculiar stupidities of the American political mind is its resolute refusal to hold two separate ideas at once. Our dominant political narrative is like a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure book for morons, offering only a conservative red storyline or a liberal blue storyline, with nothing in between or outside those primary color bounds. Politicians themselves, out of self-interest, adhere to this narrative, which makes the political press adhere to the narrative, and before you know it you have an entire country that thinks about the ethical complexities of political economy with all the nuance of a Florida Gators fan hollering about why the Georgia Bulldogs are bad.

We are presented with politics as sports, even though sports are a terrible model for politics. A population that chooses a political party and sticks to it out of team loyalty is a good thing for political power brokers, but a bad thing for the population of people. Every hypocritical, lying, self-serving greedhead who uses politics for the most cynical possible purposes leans on the fact that, as long as they are wearing their team colors, voters will forgive them for anything. The decrepit, oligarchal state of democracy can be attributed in part to the fact that – as any sleight-of-hand magician can tell you – it is easy to pick people’s pockets when they are so easily distracted by shiny symbols. Sometimes the symbol is a Bible, or an American flag, or a shotgun and orange vest wielded by a congressman to show you that despite the fact that he went to Yale and spent his career as an oil and gas lobbyist, he shares your affinity for duck hunting. And sometimes, the distracting symbol that makes you dumb is the blue flag of the Democratic party.

The son of a longtime US senator gets his start as a lawyer with one of the biggest corporate donors to his dad’s campaigns; a friend of his dad’s gets him a job in the Clinton administration, and then as a lobbyist; later, while his father is vice president, he is given a $50,000 per month seat on the board of a Ukrainian energy firm, despite lacking any clear energy expertise. How does this all happen? It happened the same way that Chelsea Clinton became a “special correspondent” for NBC News, and Jenna Bush got a job as a Today show host, and the Trump children got jobs overseeing a real estate empire. It happened the same way, for that matter, that George W Bush – objectively, a flailing dumbass – became the governor of Texas and then the president of the United States.

When you are the son of a famous and powerful politician, you are showered with opportunity, whether you deserve it or not. This is nepotism, but it is also, if we are being direct, a form of corruption. Moral corruption. Not only because these prestigious positions are not earned, and because these celebukids are taking something that rightly should have gone to someone more deserving; but also because, even though there is rarely anything so crude as a direct quid pro quo, this undeserved largesse is always motivated to some extent by a desire by some powerful interest to take advantage of the halo of influence cast by the parents. That influence should properly accrue to the public, who their parents work for. The lavish lives afforded to famous kids are, in effect, stolen from the American people. Each coveted job handed to a president’s kid represents a small quantity of subversion of the spirit of the democratic process.

This particular form of injustice is often waved off as just be the way of the world. Seven-foot-tall people get to be in the NBA, and the children of presidents and vice-presidents get sweet, lucrative gigs whether they’re qualified for them or not. We shouldn’t take this so lightly. We should, in fact, be enraged by it. Politics is not just another way to get rich. It is a public service field, and the more important the position, the more stringent the ethical requirements it should carry.

The next three generations of a president’s family should have to work the checkout line at Family Dollar. What better way to stay in touch with the pulse of America? What better way to demonstrate how much they value hard work, and the gargantuan struggle to join the middle class? This simple rule would prevent political dynasties, which are always and everywhere antithetical to a well functioning democracy. We don’t need more Bushes in the White House, nor more Kennedys in Congress, nor more of the few good media jobs taken up by people who attended Sidwell Friends school while escorted by armed guards. An absurd share of life’s rewards are not a birthright for the spawn of public servants. Give the rest of the world a chance, you greedy little cloistered aristocrats.

Hunter Biden and his unearned riches are a moral failure. The same moral failure infects Democrats and Republicans alike. (This is a simple demonstration of the fact that “class war” is a much more accurate lens on politics than “red versus blue”.) Yes, the Republican party exists to perpetuate rather than destroy this inequality-generating system, and yes, the Trump family has taken nepotism, corruption, and cartoonish greed to previously unseen levels. These are reasons for Democrats not to do the same things. I don’t want to hear Democrats – members of the party that ostensibly stands for more equality and purer democracy – pretending that the fact that the VP’s son got a do-nothing $600k per year corporate handout is unremarkable. I want Democrats to demonstrate that we live our values. I want Democrats to send their kids to public school, unionize their workplaces and give money to the poor.

Send Hunter Biden and his peers right down to Family Dollar with name tags and a training manual. Lead by example. If the Trump kids refuse to join them, don’t worry – we’ll have the moral high ground. Surely that’s what matters to “Middle Class Joe.”

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I agree with all of that except equating Trump handing his business to his children, that has nothing to do with politics, it's his business that he built and can do what he wants with. Might seem like a quibble, but the author was obviously trying to smear Trump with the Bush/Clinton/Biden brush. If anything political office has COST the Trumps a shitload of money, unlike the others.
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I think that's a somewhat rose-coloured description of what's going on there. And the core problem is exactly what's described in the article: people are using deals with his kids in order to get in the good books of the president and increase their standing. Whether that actually works is debatable, but what's undoubtable is that it happens all the time and that Ivanka et al. are personally benefiting from it. So it's just more of the same nepotism, rent-seeking and back-room deals that have greased the wheels of global capital forever.
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