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blackandwhite4life 
Joined: 23 Dec 2003
Location: sydney
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We are still capable of a dynasty.
1925 & 1926 - we were runners up
1927,28,29,30 - we bounced back to create The Machine Team
Recent history of Hawthorn
2011 - Prelim losers
2012 - Grand Final losers
2013,14,15 - 3 peat
So, it can be done
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eddiesmith 
Lets get ready to Rumble
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
Location: Lexus Centre
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2011- GF loss
2012- PF loss
2013 - 2017- Downward spiral |
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Piesnchess
piesnchess
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| eddiesmith wrote: | 2011- GF loss
2012- PF loss
2013 - 2017- Downward spiral |
Yes, but last two yrs have been pretty good, despite being crippled by injuries both seasons. If, and it a damn big bloody if, if we could finally, at long last, have a good run with injury, next yr, with guys like Cox, de goey, greenwood, beams, all back and fit, and big lift in form from mihocchek, hoskin Elliott, and Grundy re signing, maybe getting Jenkins, we could have a stellar year, top four, and next time play the Punt rd ferals with our best team. we live in hope. 
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eddiesmith
Lets get ready to Rumble
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
Location: Lexus Centre
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| Absolutely, if we can get a key forward and some luck, anything’s possible |
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MagpieDynasty 
Joined: 09 Oct 2004
Location: Adelaide
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| mgh3536 wrote: | Pendlebury to half back ( has proven his efficiency can be blunted by tag, playing that quarterback role will protect his longetivety
Elliott and Sidebottom 50% time swapping each wing and forward YES
Adams, Treloar, degoey, wills beams, crisp predominately through the middle
Brown sier contributing through midfield YES
Ultimatum to josh Thomas and hoskin-elliott as the permanent forwards to pick up their fwd pressure but hoskin elliott needs to more effective as lead up outlet. Both these guys have to become tackling machines! YES
Cox given the chance to reach his Richmond pre lim form, if he doesn’t start to clunck them on regular basis .... the experiment is over. YES
That outlet mark option that mihocek is trying to provide is what Cox needs to be as Grundy doesn’t clunck them as enough YES
No room for Crocker, broomhead, HELL YES
Defence starters:
Moore, Howe, Roughead/dunne, Maynard, aish/Mayne/quaynor, Pendlebury YES
Langdon/scharenberg/Reid ..... suck it and see YES
If Scharenberg can regain some pace then he is the pick.
Reid for depth, if his body can be relied upon then it’s head to head with mihocek YES
Richmond prelim 2018 was our nirvana
We played with passion dare and speed Hallelujah brother
When teams blunt thats fast paced aggressive style we need to have a get out marking option:
Cox, Reid/mihocek, Elliott, hoskin Elliott, Grundy Or get Jenkins in there as an option
Having the ball in Pendlebury’s hands coming out of defence is position A1, none in the league better |
Just call him Tom Brady
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PyreneesPie 
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Joined: 22 Aug 2014
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Mr Miyagi
Joined: 14 Sep 2018
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"What must we do to be best?"
Have minimal injuries and no scandals. |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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Doesn't pull punches, does he?
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The club prides itself on being hated. I don’t understand why. If you want to be hated, then you should play the villain.
Hawthorn play the villain with their ruthlessness, unparalled success in the modern game ... as well as their awful fashion crimes, and yet they’re respected.
Collingwood don’t, and are reviled.
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As long as I’ve supported them (1987 to 1990 aside), a whirlwind of history, adulation, and even entitlement has created a mystique around the club that is more myth than reality. Any success (e.g. 1990 and 2010) has triggered the full chorus of self-adulation and, worse, self-aggrandisement, and led to the club spectacularly unravelling. When the club has failed, there’s always something.
Always.
I can’t help but wonder if the club will always be a victim of their own self-image – a self-image that constantly acts as an anchor to stop them moving forward because they’re too busy in revelling who they were, justifying their greatness, and vindicating themselves when they’ve fallen short.
It’s a cocktail that’s inebriated the club while others have moved past them.
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PyreneesPie
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^ For sure K - I believe the article raises some questions that are well worth pondering.
It's interesting that since Bucks and co have made the move away from "chest-beating" to a more of an "inner self-belief" attitude, that the team has performed better. |
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Magpietothemax
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That is an article worth reflecting on, PP. Maybe that Preliminary Final lost against GWS will actually be a catharsis for us. There were no excuxes for that loss, in the end. GWS had a horror week leading into that final: losing Whtfield to illness and then the Green fiasco. Our injury profile was no worse than theirs. We had had a week off.
I remember my main emotion after that loss was anger, even above disappointment. Anger that we could have allowed such an opportunity to slip though our fingers. Anger that only in the last quarter did we feel the desperation to win this game.
Then, after discussing the game with fellow supporters, I heard some use the "rain" as an excuse. If the weather had been dry, it was argued, we would have smashed them. At the time, I vaguely agreed with this statement. Having read this article, I now see that such a statement is exactly proof of the writer's hypothesis. To use the rain as an excuse is surely only a phenomenon that can occur among Collingwood supporters.
I really hope that our coaching department, our sports psychologists etc, use this defeat as a way to to start to banish any such concepts. I hope we will use it to come back very angry next year and hell bent on improving. No excuses. We just were not good enough to win that Preliminary final. We weren't hungry enough. We have to get better than that.
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RudeBoy
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| I don't buy any of that crap about our culture being the cause of our GF failures. If you reckon we are hated now, I can tell you we were hated much more back in the 30s when we won 4 Flags in a row. The class hatred toward working class Collingwood was palpable. This long winded article ignores the simple fact that all too often we've been beaten by better teams. This year, we played the Prelim final with way too many passengers. Maybe it's true that our supporters often overrate our team. If we want to win another flag we need to improve our list. It's that simple. |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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| But I don't think the author was talking about being hated. He was talking about being proud of supposedly being hated -- without "earning" the hate by being ruthlessly successful. |
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Doug44
Joined: 28 Sep 2018
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | If we want to win another flag we need to improve our list. It's that simple. |
I agree with the sentiment of the article. But I don't agree that out list is the problem, it's our injuries.
Yes, GWS had injuries too, but I mean it as more of an explanation for our season where we never really got going. I was at peace with the prelim after watching the Grand Final. We would have been thrashed. Psychologically, I think that would have put us back a few years, like after 03. Losing a prelim like that, might have hurt more at the time because for two weeks we probably thought we were making another Grand Final, but it's something we can bounce back from. If we have a full list, or closer to it than we have had for some time.
The injury thing can go both ways. You could say it's an excuse used by supporters who are too excusing.
Or, you could say the failure of the club to act on it, when we have known anecdotally for years that the surface at the Holden Centre is too hard and is probably a factor, is symptomatic of a club that is overly content with itself.
Or whatever the reasons are, we need to be better.
We've told ourselves, and anyone who is listening, that we're the biggest sporting club in Australia. Well, not any more we're not, not in virtually any measure. Richmond have more members, arguably more supporters, and have had more recent success.
I think our social media numbers are better so you could argue that suggests we have more supporters, but as someone who lives in the inner East, Richmond are genuinely gaining more supporters, not just converting their existing supporter base into members better than us.
We've turned a corner post the review, but I hope that doesn't just play into the same contentment that lead to the need for the review in the first place.
No organisation should be content with the sheer number of injuries we have had this decade. |
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magpieazza
magpieazza
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
Location: Griffith N.S.W
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Its funny how the media hyped up our "best ever" midfield and yet that is where we lost the PF
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Magpietothemax
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| magpieazza wrote: | | Its funny how the media hyped up our "best ever" midfield and yet that is where we lost the PF |
Funny is not the word. Bitterly ironic is a closer fit.
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