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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:48 pm
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According to the membership brochure Collingwood in 2000 when Eddie took over it was promised the club is going to embark on an extremely successful era which involves premierships
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:47 pm
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90 nice wrote:
According to the membership brochure Collingwood in 2000 when Eddie took over it was promised the club is going to embark on an extremely successful era which involves premierships


If you drop the last letter in the sentence then Eddie's promise has come true Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:57 am
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BEAMER09 wrote:
ThePieMind wrote:
BEAMER09 wrote:
RudeBoy wrote:
We haven't had ruthless ruthless players, ruthless ruthless coaches, or ruthless ruthless administrators.

All we seem to have had are ruthless ruthless supporters. Rolling Eyes


And you are probably right that we are ruthless supporters and we should be as we demand to be the best club in Australia as people at the club (or us) keep reminding ourselves but we are not.

All comments on this topic around the club and those involved at the club are fair comments as we want and strive to be a great club.

Words don't cut it anymore and I don't have the answers either but surely after 61 years enough is enough for someone to take control and deliver.

That's right, 'Enough is Enough' and you know why? because 'Facts are Facts'...


You need to explain in what way Eddie has NOT delivered.

And as long as you lumber any President with history he can’t change,
you are being absurdly unrealistic.
Eddie is it not responsible for the past 61 years, nor will his replacement.


Easy to explain as long as you stick to the Facts:-
1. 2 Premierships in 61 years - Collingwood

2. 1 Premiership in 21 years - Eddie McGuire

3. 0 Premierships in 8 years - Nathan Buckley

Do you agree and/or are you happy with any of the above?


Number 1 is irrelevant, and foolish refer to this metric as a basis for action, as if somehow we can change the past. Or that it is a pointer to on-going legacy issues- when you have conveniently failed to define them.

Number 2 - in Eddies time we've improved our strike rate of flags to GF's compared to period before his appointments. Most Presidents promise, but never see a flag. When you find a President that can guarantee more flags then let me know.

Number 3 - If you are complaining that we have no chance of winning a flag under Buckley then you must have been asleep the last 2 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:47 pm
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If Darcy Moore played in the Grand Final in 2018 we would have won that game and this chat would not be happening.
IS that Eddie's fault Darcy was injured?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:24 pm
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Pebbles Rocks wrote:
If Darcy Moore played in the Grand Final in 2018 we would have won that game and this chat would not be happening.
IS that Eddie's fault Darcy was injured?


Yep. Ditto Elliot. Ditto Dunn. But we digress, it all Eddies fault 🙄
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:32 pm
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Pebbles Rocks wrote:
If Darcy Moore played in the Grand Final in 2018 we would have won that game and this chat would not be happening.

If if if if if.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:42 pm
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Pebbles Rocks wrote:
If Darcy Moore played in the Grand Final in 2018 we would have won that game and this chat would not be happening.
IS that Eddie's fault Darcy was injured?


No Rance No worries...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:50 pm
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ThePieMind wrote:
BEAMER09 wrote:
ThePieMind wrote:
BEAMER09 wrote:
RudeBoy wrote:
We haven't had ruthless ruthless players, ruthless ruthless coaches, or ruthless ruthless administrators.

All we seem to have had are ruthless ruthless supporters. Rolling Eyes


And you are probably right that we are ruthless supporters and we should be as we demand to be the best club in Australia as people at the club (or us) keep reminding ourselves but we are not.

All comments on this topic around the club and those involved at the club are fair comments as we want and strive to be a great club.

Words don't cut it anymore and I don't have the answers either but surely after 61 years enough is enough for someone to take control and deliver.

That's right, 'Enough is Enough' and you know why? because 'Facts are Facts'...


You need to explain in what way Eddie has NOT delivered.

And as long as you lumber any President with history he can’t change,
you are being absurdly unrealistic.
Eddie is it not responsible for the past 61 years, nor will his replacement.


Easy to explain as long as you stick to the Facts:-
1. 2 Premierships in 61 years - Collingwood

2. 1 Premiership in 21 years - Eddie McGuire

3. 0 Premierships in 8 years - Nathan Buckley

Do you agree and/or are you happy with any of the above?


Number 1 is irrelevant, and foolish refer to this metric as a basis for action, as if somehow we can change the past. Or that it is a pointer to on-going legacy issues- when you have conveniently failed to define them.

Number 2 - in Eddies time we've improved our strike rate of flags to GF's compared to period before his appointments. Most Presidents promise, but never see a flag. When you find a President that can guarantee more flags then let me know.

Number 3 - If you are complaining that we have no chance of winning a flag under Buckley then you must have been asleep the last 2 years.


Amazing how you can defy or question 'facts'...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:44 pm
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BEAMER09 wrote:


Number 1 is irrelevant, and foolish refer to this metric as a basis for action, as if somehow we can change the past. Or that it is a pointer to on-going legacy issues- when you have conveniently failed to define them.

Number 2 - in Eddies time we've improved our strike rate of flags to GF's compared to period before his appointments. Most Presidents promise, but never see a flag. When you find a President that can guarantee more flags then let me know.

Number 3 - If you are complaining that we have no chance of winning a flag under Buckley then you must have been asleep the last 2 years.


Amazing how you can defy or question 'facts'...[/quote]

You have a very simplistic view - to a very complex topic.
If you’re going to ask a question then expect a complete answer, and if that doesn’t suit your agenda, then that’s unfortunate.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:18 pm
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ThePieMind wrote:
BEAMER09 wrote:


Number 1 is irrelevant, and foolish refer to this metric as a basis for action, as if somehow we can change the past. Or that it is a pointer to on-going legacy issues- when you have conveniently failed to define them.

Number 2 - in Eddies time we've improved our strike rate of flags to GF's compared to period before his appointments. Most Presidents promise, but never see a flag. When you find a President that can guarantee more flags then let me know.

Number 3 - If you are complaining that we have no chance of winning a flag under Buckley then you must have been asleep the last 2 years.


Amazing how you can defy or question 'facts'...


You have a very simplistic view - to a very complex topic.
If you’re going to ask a question then expect a complete answer, and if that doesn’t suit your agenda, then that’s unfortunate.[/quote]

We all want the same thing.

It is a simple view because it's based on facts. It's a very complex topic and I agree as from 2020 it's all based on opinions and assumptions.

For McGuire's sake, the next 'upto' 3-5 years will be important as history might not be kind to him unless the club delivers (yep IMO).

Now let me get back to my rock...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:48 pm
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90 nice wrote:
According to the membership brochure Collingwood in 2000 when Eddie took over it was promised the club is going to embark on an extremely successful era which involves premierships


Some restaurants promote seafood dishes with prawns. Reality is you get two.

In our case we would love two.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:26 pm
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SO, I guess we persevere with him for at least another ten long yrs, is that the way of it now ??????
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:11 pm
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Well, yes - at least until we get a Presidential candidate who can kick goals from outside 50 on his opposite leg.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:16 pm
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BEAMER09 wrote:
Pebbles Rocks wrote:
If Darcy Moore played in the Grand Final in 2018 we would have won that game and this chat would not be happening.
IS that Eddie's fault Darcy was injured?


No Rance No worries...

To suggest that Richmond's "injury crisis" in the finals compares to ours is laughable... Rance is the one key player they had unavailable...now how many have we had unavailable? Nowhere near one...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:25 am
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BEAMER09 wrote:
ThePieMind wrote:
BEAMER09 wrote:


Number 1 is irrelevant, and foolish refer to this metric as a basis for action, as if somehow we can change the past. Or that it is a pointer to on-going legacy issues- when you have conveniently failed to define them.

Number 2 - in Eddies time we've improved our strike rate of flags to GF's compared to period before his appointments. Most Presidents promise, but never see a flag. When you find a President that can guarantee more flags then let me know.

Number 3 - If you are complaining that we have no chance of winning a flag under Buckley then you must have been asleep the last 2 years.


Amazing how you can defy or question 'facts'...




You have a very simplistic view - to a very complex topic.
If you’re going to ask a question then expect a complete answer, and if that doesn’t suit your agenda, then that’s unfortunate.


We all want the same thing.

It is a simple view because it's based on facts. It's a very complex topic and I agree as from 2020 it's all based on opinions and assumptions.

For McGuire's sake, the next 'upto' 3-5 years will be important as history might not be kind to him unless the club delivers (yep IMO).

Now let me get back to my rock...[/quote]

Respectfully - we don’t want the same thing.
You want Eddie/club to be accountable for a 60 year history largely beyond their control.

On contrary I couldn’t care less about the past 60 years because they are completely irrelevant to our future success.
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