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Wokko
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Morrigu
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stui magpie
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7 news has a crew stuck in traffic, they got live vision of it happening.
Apparently a mentally ill man killed one woman in a hotel, then ran out into the street, stabbed another woman then went full nutjob, jumping up on the roof of a car waving the bloodied knife around.
A passer by grabbed a chair from a cafe and went at him, he jumped down and started running with people armed with chairs and a milk crate chasing him, along with a couple of fireman carrying axes and jemmy bars.
It ended with him being crash tackled to the ground and held there with chairs, the milk crate on his head and people standing on his wrists until Police finally arrived.
I was checking social media waiting for the train home and saw memes comparing US guns and Aus Milk crates, thought WTF? and checked the Herald Sun.
Seriously gutsy work by all involved. I wasn't overly happy with a couple of them who took an opportunity to stick in a boot once he was on the ground, but If I'd just witnessed some bastard slashing a strange woman with a knife I may have done something similar.
Before running, he was yelling something that sounded like Allah Akbar. No indication at the moment that he is Islamic, more likely just mentally ill trying to goad a cop into shooting him but none were to be seen.
There's also no indication he's a white supremacist/
https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/sydney-cbd-stabbing-hero-bystanders-who-tackled-offender-speak-of-their-bravery-c-397598 _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Woods Of Ypres
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well done to the lads involved and got no problem with them putting the slipper in |
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stui magpie
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In the US they reckon it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.
In AUS, to stop a bad guy with a knife, we use a milk crate, chairs or a shopping trolley. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Woods Of Ypres wrote: | well done to the lads involved and got no problem with them putting the slipper in |
Ditto! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Pies4shaw
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What this probably serves to illustrate is that proper gun laws in Australia mean that even when someone heads out into a public place determined to kill, they can't usually do too much damage because they don't generally have access to serious firepower. It is certainly a tragedy that one person was killed and another badly injured but an over-the-counter serious firearm would likely have made this a much more terrible incident. |
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stui magpie
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Even basic gun laws that prevent mentally ill people buying guns would've stopped this bloke, even under NZ previous laws he should've been unable to get a licence.
Interesting that there's 1 common thread linking this guy to the El Paso, Ohio and Christchurch killers.
People they went to school with and other acquaintances described them as loners, misfits and socially awkward. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
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stui magpie wrote: | Even basic gun laws that prevent mentally ill people buying guns would've stopped this bloke |
I'm not so confident about that. Maybe they prevent a diagnosed mentally ill person from walking into a shop and buying a gun (forgetting the large number of people with serious mental illnesses who have never been assessed), but they do little to stop someone from borrowing/stealing their dad's, sibling's or best friend's gun. And Trump seems to have relaxed some of those laws anyway:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/president-trump-made-it-easier-mentally-ill-get-guns-when-n1039301 _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Wokko
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stui magpie
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The US gun laws are a joke, I'm not sure if it's possible to relax them without just giving every 10 year old an M16 on their birthday. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Wokko
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stui magpie wrote: | ^
The US gun laws are a joke, I'm not sure if it's possible to relax them without just giving every 10 year old an M16 on their birthday. |
It depends on the state mainly, some states have laws not far off ours, others have "Constitutional carry" meaning you don't need any permits because the constitution IS the permit.
Unsurprisingly it's the places with the harshest laws that have some of the worst gun violence. Chicago Illinois, California, Baltimore Maryland, DC. |
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stui magpie
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Chicago is an interesting example. They tightened their laws to try to stop gun violence but all people have to do is drive to the nearest next state, buy guns and drive home with no problems.
You can legally buy in NSW many of what are considered prohibited weapons in Vic, so one state acting in isolation doesn't prevent access. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Wokko
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If that's the case then how come the 'next State' doesn't have that level of gun crime? |
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stui magpie
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Wokko wrote: | If that's the case then how come the 'next State' doesn't have that level of gun crime? |
You'd have to look at the demographics of the neighbouring states. Detroit doesn't have a great rep, but Chicago is one of the biggest cities in the US, has a history and culture of violence and there is nothing of similar size nearby. look at the states around Illinois. They don't have the violence, they didn't see the need for tighter gun control, Chicago had the violence, tried to put ion gun control but the people who want them just go interstate to buy them.
Guns aren't violent, people are but guns enable the violence _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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